>To host no memes whatsoever is to be unable to reach any conclusion, hold
>no beliefs, non-beliefs, or disbeliefs. We would literally be unable to
>get out of bed in the morning if that were the case, for doing that
>requires belief in <I exist>, <bed exists>, etc.
I think we may be talking about two kinds of beliefs here:
prescriptive and descriptive. The former are the kind that cause
behavior, the latter kind explains behavior. We can't help but
have descriptive beliefs; if one doesn't go to church then one
is acting as if one doesn't believe in God, whether agnostic
or atheist, there is no effective difference at that level.
>According to Goedel's theorem, there is no rational way to rationally prove
>that these axioms are true, for we'd always hit a self-refential statement.
> My very belief in <Goedel's theorem> is based on other memes. We who
>think critically hold these so-called axiomatic memes to be "working
>hypotheses," to use Robin's expression.
Godel's theorem actually only applies to formal systems.
-- David McFadzean david@lucifer.com Memetic Engineer http://www.lucifer.com/~david/ Church of Virus http://www.lucifer.com/virus/