On 28 Jul 2002 at 3:42, Dr Sebby wrote:
> ...i absolutely agree.  the only issues are the death penalty question or 
> torture.  i dont think the state can endorse such things with the full 
> knowledge that some of the convicts will be totally innocent people.  if the 
> evidence heavily implies guilt...take them off the streets, of course....but 
> that's it.  if they are innocent, at least they will then have the chance to 
> prove it sometime down the road...behind bars, but still having a chance.  i 
> also think that people convicted on witness accounts only or wispy, easily 
> faked evidence should have the opportunity to undergo lie-detector testing, 
> and/or a sodium pentathol session or some sililar 'truth serum'..just to see 
> if it matches up.
> 
> drsebby.
> 
I cannot see having a Timothy McVeigh spending the rest of a possibly 
long life propagandizing to rally Order wannabees to follow in his 
explosive footsteps, any more than I can see that there is any doubt 
whatsoever that Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy did 
indeed commit their savage strings of serial rape/murders.
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: OZ
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:50:08 -0500
> 
> On 27 Jul 2002 at 23:09, Dr Sebby wrote:
> 
>  >
>  > ...this has always been true.  and when considering punishments, we must
>  > always consider the innocents within our prison system...oh, they ARE 
> there!
>  >   and im sure a few child rape cases to boot...angry 
> ex-wife...brainwashing
>  > little jonny to point and agree.....etc.  there is nothing more 
> disturbing
>  > than the thought of a totally innocent man sitting in prison for years
>  > waiting for his execution - talk about angst!
>  >
>  > drsebby.
>  >
>  > ----Original Message Follows----
>  > From: "David McFadzean" <david@lucifer.com>
>  > Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
>  > To: <virus@lucifer.com>
>  > Subject: Re: virus: OZ
>  > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:26:06 -0600
>  >
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
>  >
>  >  > I bring up the presently actually guilty (via DNA and other evidence),
>  >  > and you counter with the innocent, as Hermit counters with the 
> possibly
>  >  > future transgressors.
>  >
>  > I didn't "counter" with anything, my question was an honest one.
>  >
>  > Do you disagree with my stated assumption that any conceivable practical
>  > justice system will necessarily make some errors and convict the 
> innocent?
>  > If so, on what grounds?
>  >
> No, but do you disagree with my statement that unless convicted
> murderers are removed from civil society, that many more innocents
> would die a their hands than would be accidentally executed under our
> civil justice system?
>  >
>  >
>  > DrSebby.
>  > "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>  >
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> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
> 
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