Re: virus: Angry young Men
red_mist (red_mist@portsurfer.demon.co.uk)
Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:37:01 +0100
In message <35451316.875B829E@ma.ultranet.com>, Sodom
<sodom@ma.ultranet.com> writes
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>red_mist wrote:
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> I can agree that this may well be part of the cause. It seems to be echoed
>in other messages regarding this subject too. So far I agree with all the
>reasons mentioned. red_mist - you seem to be close to this age group so you
>perhaps have a perspective I now lack.
I'm 18 at the moment so yeah I would consider myself in this age group
>It seems to me that the flaw in the
>AYM syndrome is the concept that they are "smart". Lets specify - they have a
>skill in a single area that is stronger than most of the populace; However,
>there are those like myself and others, who also grew up with computers from
>a very young age and can or have hacked. We are now professionals and get
>paid to work on computers. Besides experience, we also have a wealth of
>philosophical strengths that most 18yr olds cant touch.
I agree that experience is one thing that all hackers lack although the
good hackers are extremely smart and are able to pick up new software
and hacking techniques extremely quickly. You can only gain experience
though doing things so although I'm not trying to justify hacking by
this statement some good may come out of it by turning hackers into
stronger and more experienced people
>some of us also have
>a much grander view of hacking. What a hacker may think is a big deal, a few
>hundred dollars or so, doesn't mean squat to me. we dont care about the
>little stuff that much, its the big ones that we are worried about. Its the
>hacker that takes down a corporate network, or distributes classified info,
>that bother us. Corporate America doesnt have the will to deal with the
>onsies - twosies that most hackers get their thrills from. But if they did,
>they will would catch them. Like it or not - and i dont like it - money seems
>to be a prime motivator in this country.
I agree. i live in england but the situation is exactly the same.
Normally you don't get busted unless you have done something really bad
or you do it to a major company. I know a friend who was busted after
hacking into the BT phone system and just looking round the system. He
is now getting treated a lot worse than a malicious hacker who got
caught for hacking into the computer systems of a small computer firm
and trashed their network. I'm not saying either hack was justified but
it shows that money is the only motivating factor with the police
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>I have no doubt that you are right about why they resort to cyberviolence,
>but if there was no option for cyberviolence, say computers didn't exist,
>then what would they do? Violence of another type? Withdraw? any ideas?
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I don't think that hackers are the type to withdraw, but this could be
caused by having the power they do on the computer. If they were to
resort to violence of another sort I don't think they would go around
beating people up. I think they are more the sort to plant a bomb or
shoot someone. The mentality of the hacker is very much to be
annonymous although again this could be caused by having the anonimity
of a computer to protect them. Its like they are used to being
annonyous but still having power on a computer. If this was taken away
then I think they would try to express the same power on the real world,
but if they had never experienced this then who knows what they might do
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>Sodom
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red_mist