With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
The screams when the guy gets tazered are sadistic. It was obvious from the first 20 seconds of the video that these guys were not playing by the rules, so what did he think he was going to gain from bringing the 4th amendment into the picture? Are the cops fully to blame here, or the Pastor for letting it escalate the way it did?
Personally I would have just opened the trunk had I been him, and been on my way.
Re:Live in America? Visit America? Watch this. "Don't talk to the police"
« Reply #3 on: 2009-06-13 16:59:04 »
I have seen these monsters at work in New Orleans. The border patrol never play by rules - and most people are sufficiently intimidated by them to encourage their hooliganism.
I hope this turns into an appropriate case to break them, but I doubt very much that it will. Too large a number of Americans have been persuaded that the rule of law needs to be dispensed with because they need protection from "terrorists", without ever wondering about the people who are being defined as terrorists. Of course, as a religious fundamentalist, by some measures a baptist minister should be regarded as a potential terrorist and instigator of terrorism if any one should. But the real point is that nobody should be treated as a terrorist unless found guilty of actual terrorism not of suspicion of random thought crimes nor even of actual thought crimes.
Preemption not only being a bitch but an indubitable logical failure.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
But the real point is that nobody should be treated as a terrorist unless found guilty of actual terrorism not of suspicion of random thought crimes nor even of actual thought crimes.
Preemption not only being a bitch but an indubitable logical failure.
Agreed. The innocent until proven guilty approach would be my philosophy of choice. I was thinking however that the police in the video might have thought they had circumstantial evidence based on the mentioned dogs reaction to the Pastor's trunk - though still way over the top for what they did (making mountains out of ant hills springs to mind), so hardly a justification.
In more unfortunate news, the Americans aren't the only ones you need to concern yourselves with as British police can be equally as brutal. Fucking disgusting is what it is.
A mobile phone video of a man being repeatedly tasered by officers is being investigated by the police watchdog.
The man appears to be rolling around on the floor in agony after one officer urges his colleagues to stand back before tasering him.
As he struggles again during the incident on Sunday night in Upper Parliament Street, Nottingham, he is tasered for a second time.
One of the four officers trying to arrest the man is also seen to punch him to the head area before back-up arrives.
The video was given to a local radio station and has also been posted on YouTube.
A woman behind the camera is heard to say: "Look at his face, did you get that? He don't look like he is resisting."
The man, who is shooting the footage, added: "Yeh, I can't wait to put it (the footage) on YouTube."
A crowd of 30 to 40 people quickly gathers around the police officers and start questioning their tactics.
According to guidelines from the Association of Chief Police Officers, tasers must not be used indiscriminately.
Guidelines issued to forces state: "The use of taser is one of a number of tactical options available to an officer who is faced with violence or the threat of violence.
"Its purpose is to temporarily incapacitate an individual in order to control the threat that they pose.
"It must not be used to inflict severe pain or suffering in the performance of official duties."
Nottinghamshire Police said officers were trying to arrest the 40-year-old man after they were called out by door staff at one of the city's nightspots.
A police officer was then assaulted and needed hospital treatment.
A spokeswoman for the force said no complaint had been made against the officers involved and no-one had been suspended.
But the case has been passed voluntarily to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) so they can investigate.
The man was subsequently arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm and released on police bail.
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