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On the Holocaust of the Palestinians for Neonuts of all persuasion
« on: 2009-01-06 17:37:39 »
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Slight revision of the response to discussion at kabobfest in turn triggered by an article, "Unprecedented Numbers of Americans Question Israel's Actions in Gaza" and noting that the Obama administration is playing golf while Americans ask questions. The added last paragraph was my question to be for the President Elect.


80% of the Palestinians in Gaza are refugees and the descendants of refugees, ethnically cleansed from Israel, with the right to return guaranteed to them by the USA in 1952, trapped in the world's largest concentration camp. These people have suffered an ongoing blockade and continuous theft of the little income they are due from VAT and custom duties by Israel since Hamas, an organization Israel helped to establish in order to split the secular PLO, was elected to represent Palestinians in elections certified as free and fair.

The initial ethnic cleansing, exacerbated by many further illegal acts by Israel, most notably in 1967, was and is a monstrous war crime and an embarrassment to the world. As are the many UN resolutions on these matters in which Israel is still in breach. In addition, a blockade is an illegal act of war, just as community punishment is an illegal act of war and occupation. The pretense that these "Palestans" are "Independent" is given the lie by Israel's continuous armed interventions, kidnapping and murder of the occupants, including the political leadership, and American and Israeli sponsorship of the partially successful coup by Fatah, under the Quisling leadership of Abbas, against the legitimately elected Hamas government; even if the members of Hamas have been labeled "terrorists" the better to justify killing them. The only valid conclusion is that Apartheid Israel illegally instigated this war and occupation, has never had a true ceasefire and is merely continuing it as illegally as it was begun.

The unguided fertilizer fueled fireworks of the Palestinians, which killed approximately 15 Israelis in the previous 7 years, while Israel murdered over 5,000 Palestinians, are far more dangerous to those lighting the fuse than to anyone else, and arguably would not have been invented if Israel had sought a just peace. These are not an argument against seeking peace any more than limpet mines in churches and restaurants, or the murder of teachers and schoolchildren provided grounds to support South Africa's apartheid government against ANC "terrorists." After all, the attacks by the ANC were regarded as being merely a reaction to oppression even though they were far more murderously effective than the rockets of the Palestinians.

We need to ask whether a Palestinian is worth less than a Jew, any more than a Black was worth less than a White in South Africa. If we couldn't justify apartheid there, if we saw the bantustans as fake countries, then surely Israel's apartheid, with added murderous violence and the starvation camps for Palestinians, cannot be justified either. At this point, unless we choose to be hypocrites, we need to recognize that Israel's half-century of manifest prejudice, murderous oppression and ongoing land theft has guaranteed that there is no possibility of ever transforming the "Palestans" into viable independent states, and the world must demand, at pain of sanctions, as we did for South Africa, the full integration of Gaza and the West Bank into Israel with equal rights, opportunities and representation for all, including a constitution granting all or no religions equal standing. Only then will Israel find peace. Only then will we have atoned for our part in enabling the repetition of ethnic cleansing.

Anything less leaves our hands as bloody as those of the Israelis we are facilitating in the ongoing shoa of the Palestinians.

Will the Obama administration address these issues on an equitable basis, or will it continue to ignore questions and play golf, supporting Israeli apartheid unconditionally while Palestinians suffer a holocaust?


Then I discovered that there was a 250 character limit on questions. No wonder all nuance is absent from US thinking if this suffices. With 250 characters, all that is possible is a soundbite. Here was mine: Palestinians are worth less than Jews? Israel's prejudice, murderous oppression & land theft prevents the "Pale-stans" becoming viable states. Will the Obama administration continue to support Israeli apartheid, while Palestinians suffer a holocaust?
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I guess our allegedly anti-apartheid NeoNut never read any ANC literature, never bothered to establish that "terrorism" was used to fight against apartheid, and didn't ever realize that "Kill the boer" was a significant part of the Umkhonto we Sizwe platform he supposedly supported.

Here is how Nelson Mandela put it:
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Firstly, we believed that as a result of Government policy, violence by the African people had become inevitable, and that unless responsible leadership was given to canalize and control the feelings of our people, there would be outbreaks of terrorism which would produce an intensity of bitterness and hostility between the various races of this country which is not produced even by war. Secondly, we felt that without violence there would be no way open to the African people to succeed in their struggle against the principle of white supremacy. All lawful modes of expressing opposition to this principle had been closed by legislation, and we were placed in a position in which we had either to accept a permanent state of inferiority, or to defy the Government. We chose to defy the law. We first broke the law in a way which avoided any recourse to violence; when this form was legislated against, and then the Government resorted to a show of force to crush opposition to its policies, only then did we decide to answer violence with violence.
(From Nelson Mandela's "I am prepared to die" opening statement at the Rivonia Trial)

In the end, when the oppression ended so to did the "terrorism" and the willingness for resistors to it to be prepared to die for their cause. Why should the Palestine be different seeing as the Palestinians lived in peace with Jews and Christians for millennia before Jewish terrorists displaced them from their land and those terrorists, their descendants and supporters have continuously breached international law in preventing the Palestinians from exercising their rights as refugees to return?

From the material he cites, it appears that our NeoNut, like many Israelis, has decided that a Palestinian is not only worth less than a Jew, worth less than a black, worth less even than a Nazi, but is also fully deserving of ethnic cleansing. What a wonderful slew of invective in favor not only of apartheid, but even of genocide, he has assembled. How reasonable for Israelis to be scared of rockets it says, forced to scuttle for their shelters at the sound of sirens, without mentioning that it is even more reasonable for Palestinians to fear American built bombs raining down on their defenseless heads from American built F16s operated by the Israeli Air Force. After all, our NeoNut's favored material does not mention that Israeli theft and American money has ensured that Israelis have wonderful houses with not only patios and swimming pools, but also as alluded, sirens to warn them and bomb shelters to protect them from sporadic Palestinian fireworks - and this massive inequality, of offense and defense, as of everything else in the Palestine, explains why the totally unprotected Palestinians, living in concentration camps and attacked by real weapons, die in such unequal numbers. Our poltroon's selection of biased documents from dishonest sources never once addresses the inequities in instigation, the imbalances in response, the role which Israel and the US played in establish Islamic resistance* and in establishing Hamas as the legitimate, elected voice of the most oppressed group on the planet today; as testified to by the undeniable fact that 200 to 400 Palestinians have died against every Jewish death in this massive unequal struggle pitting home made rockets against US made F16s, Kalashnikovs and shotguns against tanks, and sporadic mortars against artillery barrages.

If it were not for the extent of his dissonance, coupled with the collapse of his logical and ethical facilities, as demonstrated by the vituperative screes which he chooses to paste, which have left him totally unable to see that this makes him a racist bigot, just as much as the Israeli racists, engaged in a policy far worse than apartheid ever was, and which he so unconditionally supports, it would be very hard for him to look in the mirror and see what is left of Joe Dees. Then again, if it were not for the extent of his dissonance, coupled with the collapse of his logical and ethical facilities, he would not have descended from icon to idiot troll, kept in the basement to play with from time to time and to frighten badly behaved children with its loathsome regurgitation of racist hatred.

*In fact always rejecting "resistance" for "terrorism" in case somebody should get around to wondering what in fact was being resisted.
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Thank you Hermit. Thank you.
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