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So the Democrats and Obama are worse than the Republicans. Where next?
« on: 2008-06-23 09:40:09 » |
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Ignoring the desperate spin out of the Obama/Pelosi machine, and given the craven enabling by the Democrats of the Bush demolition of the fourth amendment and the deliberate flaunting of the law by the telecoms, all the while knowing that this was at the least wrong and given the executive role in the matter likely impeachable (except that impeachment is "off the table"), why should anyone entrust any of them with even the position of Dog Catcher, let alone the Presidency or the House?
If there isn't time to get some viable alternative in place before the otherwise utterly meaningless elections, I think I would choose Mickey Mouse as a write in for President and the most lunatic fringes possible for the House, on the basis that the shenanigans over FISA have proved that no viable options now exist. I suspect that I am in excellent company over this. At this point I somewhat hope that Obama and the Democrats lose the election, because it seems to me that it is well deserved in the light of their cynical calculation that there is time between now and the elections for people to forget their role in enabling the Bush Wars and supporting the Cheney/Bush administration's criminal behavior. I say "somewhat," only because it is clear that, on the whole, the Republicans are indubitably less worthy of office, and more dangerous should they obtain it, despite their not being such great hypocrites as the Democrats.
Meanwhile Lawrence Velvel, the dean of the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover has convened a conference to "plan the prosecution of administration officials." I really hope they plan to prosecute the Democratic leadership and the media for their complicity under the theory of conspiracy, because if the administration prosecution can stick, then conspiracy charges will too.
Unfortunately, it becomes evident that neither party is likely to act to attempt to preserve what little civilization has been attained before it collapses due to the end of cheap energy and the changes we have wrought in the biosphere - which should make it apparent that the abdication of responsibility in the form of representational democracy has failed. The abysmal estimation of the Congress (<20%), of the Executive (<30%) and of the Future (<20%) shows that the public recognizes these truths. The lack of alternatives shows that it doesn't know what to do about it. In fact, it is long beyond the time for a revolution, but it seems that that option has been educated out of people. Bread and circuses tend to have that effect.
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Re:So the Democrats and Obama are worse than the Republicans. Where next?
« Reply #1 on: 2008-06-24 22:23:33 » |
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Source: Antiwar Blog
Authors: Ron Paul
Fated: 2008-06-20
Ron Paul explains why he is opposed to the “compromise” FISA wiretap bill (June 20):Mr. Speaker, I regret that due to the unexpected last-minute appearance of this measure on the legislative calendar this week, a prior commitment has prevented me from voting on the FISA amendments. I have strongly opposed every previous FISA overhaul attempt and I certainly would have voted against this one as well.
The main reason I oppose this latest version is that it still clearly violates the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution by allowing the federal government to engage in the bulk collection of American citizens’ communications without a search warrant. That US citizens can have their private communication intercepted by the government without a search warrant is anti-American, deeply disturbing, and completely unacceptable.
In addition to gutting the fourth amendment, this measure will deprive Americans who have had their rights violated by telecommunication companies involved in the Administration’s illegal wiretapping program the right to seek redress in the courts for the wrongs committed against them. Worse, this measure provides for retroactive immunity, whereby individuals or organizations that broke the law as it existed are granted immunity for prior illegal actions once the law has been changed. Ex post facto laws have long been considered anathema in free societies under rule of law. Our Founding Fathers recognized this, including in Article I section 9 of the Constitution that “No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.” How is this FISA bill not a variation of ex post facto? That alone should give pause to supporters of this measure.
Mr. Speaker, we should understand that decimating the protections that our Constitution provides us against the government is far more dangerous to the future of this country than whatever external threats may exist. We can protect this country without violating the Constitution and I urge my colleagues to reconsider their support for this measure.
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