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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« on: 2006-02-28 15:21:28 » |
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[Blunderov] A new low. Who knew it was even possible? But here it is.
"Bush attempting to finalize controversial nuclear aid to India on trip
Silver Spring, MD - Peace Action today denounced the plan for President
George Bush to lay a memorial wreath in honor of Mohandas K. Gandhi when
visiting India this week. National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley announced
the plan at a White House press briefing Friday.
"Mahatma Gandhi was a man of non-violence and peace, and is a hero to people
all over the world. As his war-strewn presidency shows, George Bush knows
nothing about non-violence. Gandhi would in no way condone his actions. Bush
should reconsider this cynical, disrespectful display of symbolism," said
Kevin Martin, Executive Director of Peace Action.
The plan for Bush to "honor" Gandhi is even more astonishing given one of
the main purposes of Bush's trip -- to cement a deal for US nuclear aid to
India, which would violate current US non-proliferation law and has drawn
criticism from a host of peace, disarmament and non-proliferation groups.
The deal will also be a tough sell to a skeptical Congress, which would need
to amend US law to create a "loophole" to give nuclear technology to India
because of its nuclear weapons."
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #1 on: 2006-02-28 15:32:33 » |
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[Blunderov] Arundhati Roy's take.
Bush in India: Just Not Welcome
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2006-02-28 09:05. Media
Published on Monday, February 27, 2006 by The Nation
By Arundhati Roy
On his triumphalist tour of India and Pakistan, where he hopes to wave
imperiously at people he considers potential subjects, President Bush has an
itinerary that's getting curiouser and curiouser.
For Bush's March 2 pit stop in New Delhi, the Indian government tried very
hard to have him address our parliament. A not inconsequential number of MPs
threatened to heckle him, so Plan One was hastily shelved. Plan Two was to
have Bush address the masses from the ramparts of the magnificent Red Fort,
where the Indian prime minister traditionally delivers his Independence Day
address. But the Red Fort, surrounded as it is by the predominantly Muslim
population of Old Delhi, was considered a security nightmare. So now we're
into Plan Three: President George Bush speaks from Purana Qila, the Old
Fort.
Ironic, isn't it, that the only safe public space for a man who has recently
been so enthusiastic about India's modernity should be a crumbling medieval
fort?
Since the Purana Qila also houses the Delhi zoo, George Bush's audience will
be a few hundred caged animals and an approved list of caged human beings,
who in India go under the category of "eminent persons." They're mostly rich
folk who live in our poor country like captive animals, incarcerated by
their own wealth, locked and barred in their gilded cages, protecting
themselves from the threat of the vulgar and unruly multitudes whom they
have systematically dispossessed over the centuries.
So what's going to happen to George W. Bush? Will the gorillas cheer him on?
Will the gibbons curl their lips? Will the brow-antlered deer sneer? Will
the chimps make rude noises? Will the owls hoot? Will the lions yawn and the
giraffes bat their beautiful eyelashes? Will the crocs recognize a kindred
soul? Will the quails give thanks that Bush isn't traveling with Dick
Cheney, his hunting partner with the notoriously bad aim? Will the CEOs
agree?
Oh, and on March 2, Bush will be taken to visit Gandhi's memorial in
Rajghat. He's by no means the only war criminal who has been invited by the
Indian government to lay flowers at Rajghat. (Only recently we had the
Burmese dictator General Than Shwe, no shrinking violet himself.) But when
Bush places flowers on that famous slab of highly polished stone, millions
of Indians will wince. It will be as though he has poured a pint of blood on
the memory of Gandhi.
We really would prefer that he didn't.
It is not in our power to stop Bush's visit. It is in our power to protest
it, and we will. The government, the police and the corporate press will do
everything they can to minimize the extent of our outrage. Nothing the happy
newspapers say can change the fact that all over India, from the biggest
cities to the smallest villages, in public places and private homes, George
W. Bush, the President of the United States of America, world nightmare
incarnate, is just not welcome.
Arundhati Roy, the Booker Prize-winning author of 'The God of Small Things'
and 'The Ordinary Person's Guide to Empire', lives in New Delhi, India.
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #4 on: 2006-03-01 09:34:07 » |
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com
> [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of Dr Sebby
> Sent: 01 March 2006 13:27
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> Subject: RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
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> ....WHAT!!! Mermaid is a cute mormon? i never knew.
> mormon, wow!
Rumour is it she is defecting to the Moonies. She'll still be cute though.
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #5 on: 2006-03-02 05:21:31 » |
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Quote from: Blunderov on 2006-02-28 15:32:33
[Blunderov] Arundhati Roy's take.
Bush in India: Just Not Welcome
SNIP
...Nothing the happy newspapers say can change the fact that all over India, from the biggest cities to the smallest villages, in public places and private homes, George W. Bush, the President of the United States of America, world nightmare incarnate, is just not welcome.
Arundhati Roy, the Booker Prize-winning author of 'The God of Small Things'
and 'The Ordinary Person's Guide to Empire', lives in New Delhi, India. |
The arrogance of this spiteful mite continues to impress me.
She thinks she speaks for a billion Indians and their putative loathing of Bush, yet the polls tell a different story:
"Indians think George W. Bush is more or less good for them and the United States a suspect but necessary partner for their country.
A Hindustan Times-C fore poll of the six largest cities on the eve of US President George W. Bush's visit shows Indian attitudes toward the sole superpower as a decidedly mixed bag.
The country is split when it comes to Bush himself. Slender majorities saw him as a friend of India and even prepared to invite him home. While hardly a ringing endorsement, it should be remembered that in most parts of the world the pro-Bush vote would be in single figure."
From http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1639519,001302100000.htm
Meanwhile in the Indian Express we read:
George W. Bush, who arrived in the capital last night, wouldn’t have encountered those protesting against his visit. Even if he did, Bush, who sees protestors every day outside White House, should be delighted at the vigorous freedom of expression practised in the world’s largest democracy. More so because the major message from vox populi seems a welcome, not a protest: opinion polls in India have consistently shown strong popular support to both the US and the president in the last few years. Bush’s personal standing in this country seems higher than in many other countries, including perhaps, at this point, in his own!
That 71 per cent in India have a favourable view of the US and 54 per cent support Bush’s handling of world affairs, as reported by the latest Pew poll, underlines globalising India’s new attitudes. "
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=88798
Ms Roy, shut the funk up.
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #6 on: 2006-03-02 08:15:27 » |
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Jonathan Davis wrote:
> The arrogance of this spiteful mite continues to impress me.
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> She thinks she speaks for a billion Indians and their putative
> loathing of Bush, yet the polls tell a different story
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You have a point there. Is this why Arundhati Roi gets no "Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean" from you this time?
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #7 on: 2006-03-02 09:17:10 » |
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Quote from: rhinoceros on 2006-03-02 08:15:27
Jonathan Davis wrote:
> The arrogance of this spiteful mite continues to impress me.
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> She thinks she speaks for a billion Indians and their putative
> loathing of Bush, yet the polls tell a different story
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You have a point there. Is this why Arundhati Roi gets no "Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean" from you this time? |
Err...Nudge nudge, wink wink, I don't know what you mean :-)
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #8 on: 2006-03-02 12:01:23 » |
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Jonathan Davis wrote:
>>> The arrogance of this spiteful mite continues to impress me.
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>>> She thinks she speaks for a billion Indians and their putative
>>> loathing of Bush, yet the polls tell a different story
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>> You have a point there. Is this why Arundhati Roi gets no "Nudge
>> nudge, wink wink, know what I mean" from you this time?
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> Err...Nudge nudge, wink wink, I don't know what you mean :-)
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Not much. I was reflecting upon the automatic mechanics of debate and I wondered why you chose not to label Roi as 'cute' at this instance.
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #9 on: 2006-03-03 00:48:22 » |
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http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=88890 > dissent galaxy:
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0603024455131344.htm: Tens of thousands of Indians rally in protest at Bush's visit
Tens of thousands of people shouting anti-Bush and anti-America slogans Thursday converged in the capital to protest US President George W Bush's visit to the country.
Waving red flags, holding placards and banners reading "Killer Bush Go Back" and "Bush War Criminal", thousands of protestors assembled at the historic Ram Lila grounds here to denounce the US president's visit.
Singing songs and beating drums, students, Left Party workers and sympathizers, writers and farmers from across the country are taking part in the rally called by the `Committee Against Bush's Visit', a joint platform formed to protest the presidential visit.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/02/news/letter.php :
Last week, Arundhati Roy found herself standing at traffic lights in a sleazy district of Delhi handing out stickers bearing the slogan "Bush Quit India" to passing traffic. No one recognized her as the Booker Prize winning writer. It was a curiously anonymous form of protest for a woman adept at using her celebrity to draw attention to forgotten causes.
"It was very enlightening. People on the auto-rickshaws and horse carts were asking for more," she said; the drivers of cars were less receptive.
http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/mar/01bush7.htm: A night vigil against Bush
Hundreds of students of the prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University on Tuesday night kept a night vigil at the varsity campus in Delhi protesting the visit of United States President George W Bush.
Activists, including internationally acclaimed writer Arundhati Roy, joined them.
Students flocked to the open air auditorium in the campus and shouted slogans and sang songs like the famed Beatles' number Imagine, blowing in the wind and folk songs from Haryana.
Arundhuti Roy, who read out a play lampooning Bush's scheduled March 3 speech from the Purana Quila said, "India and Israel are the only two countries where the US President is welcome.
"This is the finding of a survey and it is such a shame for Indians to hear. Our relationship with the US began the day we exploded a bomb in Pokhran," she said.
The Booker prize-winning author noted that 'we live in an era of complete farce', and said, "It is ironic that the only public space where Bush could speak from is a medieval fort."
http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=19292 :
While the Indian government rolled out the red carpet for US President George W. Bush, a groundswell of protest erupted across the country Thursday with hundreds of thousands taking to the streets demanding to be heard over the congratulatory chorus of a visit going most smoothly.
However, despite the huge protests, the day went off peacefully with no reports of violence anywhere.
It was a day of protocol and protests in India as the US president officially began his visit in the capital.
As the government feted the president, the ripples of discontent were felt all over with India's civil society, including students and rights activists, joining Left politicians that prop the government and Muslim groups to vent their ire on the streets -- and even in the hallowed halls of state assemblies and parliament.
but hey! indian express polls are probably the gold standard. as if indians can protest when the polls are saying that they really shouldnt be...imagine! disobeying the polls and all that! REALLY, SHUT THE FUNK UP.
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #10 on: 2006-03-03 01:02:44 » |
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my issue with the interpretation of the poll(and this is true everywhere..in this forum, in the united states, everywhere else in the world) is the strange desire for the interpretors of data to fuse bush with america. how people feel about america is not related to how they feel about bush. and how american people score in the hearts and minds of the international community is distinctly divorced from how the current administration scores.
limbic's link, http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=88798, "Howdy George" says:
That 71 per cent in India have a favourable view of the US and 54 per cent support Bush’s handling of world affairs, as reported by the latest Pew poll, underlines globalising India’s new attitudes.
on the other hand:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/28/international/asia/28india.html
The Pew Global Attitudes Project found Indians last year to be among the most cheerful in their appraisal of both the United States and President Bush. In a survey published this week in the Indian newsweekly Outlook, two-thirds of Indians "strongly" or "somewhat" regarded Mr. Bush as "a friend of India," even as 72 percent called the United States "a bully."
In the same survey, conducted by A. C. Nielsen, nearly two-thirds of respondents said India should go its own way and defy American objections on a natural gas pipeline to Iran. Perhaps most striking, fewer than half the Indians surveyed said they would want to "settle down in the U.S."
some indian voices:
"They talk about democracy, but democracy is on their lips," a tailor named Abdul Karim said. "In their heart, it's bullying."
Kodandaram Reddy, 50, a professor of political science at Osmania University, discerned a certain generational gap, with young Indians less troubled by the prospect of American domination than those of his generation.
"They think one need not be too scared about white people, we can handle them," Mr. Reddy offered. "It's naïve to think it's always possible to talk it over. It's not possible. Especially not with the Americans."
In fact, in the courtyard of the Cyber Towers building can be found those young men and women who have cashed in, like no other generation of Indians, on the mighty possibilities of American outsourcing.
They seemed the most confident that India was capable of splitting the difference, reaping the benefits of its new ties to America while keeping its more powerful ally at a safe distance.
Swathi Reddy, 25, said she was swiftly hired by an American company as soon as she graduated from engineering college. Had she graduated even a few years earlier, she would have had to wait for work. "It's a very good thing," she said of the new United States-India partnership. "We are benefiting the most."
Arun Chinnasamy, 28, said that he had no plans to protest the Bush visit but added that he felt no love for Bush administration's policies, like the pressure on India to vote against Iran's nuclear ambitions. "You can't have someone peering into your own house," is how he put it.
But his colleague, Pranesh Upasi, 26, was not terribly worried. "India," he said, "can stand up for itself."
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #11 on: 2006-03-03 04:55:29 » |
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Quote from: Mermaid on 2006-03-03 01:02:44
my issue with the interpretation of the poll(and this is true everywhere..in this forum, in the united states, everywhere else in the world) is the strange desire for the interpretors of data to fuse bush with america. how people feel about america is not related to how they feel about bush. and how american people score in the hearts and minds of the international community is distinctly divorced from how the current administration scores.
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There is no doubt Bush is widely detested. He was hated almost before he was even elected.
Two factors combine here.
1. Many find him personally objectionable.
2. Many detest the United States and Bush is the current symbol of the US.
Does this matter? Not much.
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #12 on: 2006-03-03 10:16:00 » |
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Quote from: Jonathan Davis on 2006-03-03 04:55:29
Quote from: Mermaid on 2006-03-03 01:02:44
my issue with the interpretation of the poll(and this is true everywhere..in this forum, in the united states, everywhere else in the world) is the strange desire for the interpretors of data to fuse bush with america. how people feel about america is not related to how they feel about bush. and how american people score in the hearts and minds of the international community is distinctly divorced from how the current administration scores.
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There is no doubt Bush is widely detested. He was hated almost before he was even elected.
Two factors combine here.
1. Many find him personally objectionable.
2. Many detest the United States and Bush is the current symbol of the US.
Does this matter? Not much.
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so you got to love bush to love america? rather rigid rules, arent they? and just who exactly made them?
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #13 on: 2006-03-03 10:45:56 » |
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Quote from: Mermaid on 2006-03-03 10:16:00
Quote from: Jonathan Davis on 2006-03-03 04:55:29
Quote from: Mermaid on 2006-03-03 01:02:44
my issue with the interpretation of the poll(and this is true everywhere..in this forum, in the united states, everywhere else in the world) is the strange desire for the interpretors of data to fuse bush with america. how people feel about america is not related to how they feel about bush. and how american people score in the hearts and minds of the international community is distinctly divorced from how the current administration scores.
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There is no doubt Bush is widely detested. He was hated almost before he was even elected.
Two factors combine here.
1. Many find him personally objectionable.
2. Many detest the United States and Bush is the current symbol of the US.
Does this matter? Not much.
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so you got to love bush to love america? rather rigid rules, arent they? and just who exactly made them?
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Please can you explain or perhaps diagram what twisted logic gets you to this conclusion from my words.
Some people hate Bush personally. Some people hate him because he represents the USA - a nation they hate.
Can you dispute those simple claims? Can you please show how they mean "you got to love bush to love america".
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RE: virus: Breathtaking hypocrisy thy name is Bush.
« Reply #14 on: 2006-03-04 01:28:09 » |
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you said:
Two factors combine here.
1. Many find him personally objectionable.
2. Many detest the United States and Bush is the current symbol of the US.
Does this matter? Not much.
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tell me, what did you mean by factor #2? frankly, i am hardpressed to see why anyone would be fond of bush, but is only lacking in gushing affection towards him because he is the 'current symbol of the US'. he is not a SYMBOL. he is a REPRESENTATIVE. the former is the aggregate of the whole while the latter is supposed to reflect the larger numbers. dont blame the united states. blame the false representations. otherwise its just sneaky, man.
"does this matter"? fuck yea!
what you missed is that more people detest the united states now BECAUSE of bush and his administration.
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