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The intoxication instinct
« on: 2004-11-18 18:16:29 »
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Re:The intoxication instinct
« Reply #1 on: 2004-11-19 05:24:11 »
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Should someone tell Joe not to bother posting as his posts are not viewable?
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Re:The intoxication instinct
« Reply #2 on: 2004-11-19 14:57:13 »
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Quote from: Iolo Morganwg on 2004-11-19 05:24:11   

Should someone tell Joe not to bother posting as his posts are not viewable?

The post should still be viewable if you select the checkbox next to "display message". If that doesn't work, there's a bug I should fix (I just fixed it for Safari on OSX).
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Re:The intoxication instinct
« Reply #3 on: 2004-11-19 17:35:47 »
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Quote from: David Lucifer on 2004-11-19 14:57:13   
The post should still be viewable if you select the checkbox next to "display message". If that doesn't work, there's a bug I should fix (I just fixed it for Safari on OSX).


Safari on OSX - that will be why I could not see the checkbox. And a great solution, IMO.

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Re:The intoxication instinct
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Re:The intoxication instinct
« Reply #5 on: 2004-11-20 12:55:17 »
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Question for Joe: is it really easier to believe that everyone else is irrational than to examine your own behaviour? I guess it is.
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Re:The intoxication instinct
« Reply #7 on: 2004-11-21 01:18:19 »
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Joe, are you still labouring under the misconception that your low reputation has anything to do with your politics? When will you learn that flooding the forum with copy and pasted articles does not count as discussion?
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Re:The intoxication instinct
« Reply #9 on: 2004-11-23 18:27:19 »
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Quote from: Joe Dees on 2004-11-21 20:38:32   

It would be easier to perform a tusk extraction from a rogue elephant than to get these grudge-filled hatists to change.  Q.E.D.

In other words, you prove that your low reputation is a result of your politics by assuming it as an axiom. Nice argument.

Here's a counter argument.

If Joe's reputation is a result of his politics, then others with the same politics will also have a low reputation.
This is not the case (namely Jonathan Davies).
Therefore Joe's low reputation is the result of something else.
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Re:The intoxication instinct
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Quote from: Joe Dees on 2004-11-24 00:41:17   

I'll bet you that your reputation vote on me, and Jake's, and Rhino's, and Mermaid's, and Irvken's, and Zloduska's, and Casey's are lower than Jonathan's is (or Bill Roh's would be).  Hermit's also.

Probably and that would lend credence to my hypothesis while disproving your assumption.

We (Joe and me) actually have pretty much the same politics, but I don't call everyone that disagrees with me an Islamofascist who hates America. I think everyone agrees that the terrorists should be brought to justice. Where we disagree is probably on whether Iraq had anything to do with 911. The evidence seems to be on the side that says that Iraq did not and the invasion of Iraq has been a huge costly distraction from the real fight.
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Re:The intoxication instinct
« Reply #14 on: 2004-11-26 03:44:17 »
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Quote from: David Lucifer on 2004-11-25 15:47:19   


Quote from: Joe Dees on 2004-11-24 00:41:17   

I'll bet you that your reputation vote on me, and Jake's, and Rhino's, and Mermaid's, and Irvken's, and Zloduska's, and Casey's are lower than Jonathan's is (or Bill Roh's would be).  Hermit's also.

Probably and that would lend credence to my hypothesis while disproving your assumption.

We (Joe and me) actually have pretty much the same politics, but I don't call everyone that disagrees with me an Islamofascist who hates America. I think everyone agrees that the terrorists should be brought to justice. Where we disagree is probably on whether Iraq had anything to do with 911. The evidence seems to be on the side that says that Iraq did not and the invasion of Iraq has been a huge costly distraction from the real fight.

David, I rather like having this discussion through you, rather than having to deal with the melodramatic/membotic behavior that is Joe.  Thanks for the filter.  It is a vast improvment to the CoV.

Yes, I would say that the only other fact I would add to this mix is that Bush lied about Iraq's attempts to acquire a nuke.  Yes perhaps others in Bush's administration lied more about it, and Bush's brain may have been spun by Karl Rove into actually believing it when he said so, but even chemically brain damaged people like Bush need to be held responsible for what they should have known regardless of actual belief.

Now the real outcome of that lie is probably of little consequence.  I bet Bush would have still invaded Iraq without lying first, and we would still be about where we are today, however that was a needless and stupid destruction of American credibility, just like chasing Jeffords out of the Republican party was needless and stupid, just like calling for a crusade on terror was needless and stupid, just like calling for a crusade on terror a second time was needless and stupid, just like pretending that deficits don't matter is needless and stupid . . . etc. etc.  The fact that Americans voted for this by a narrow margin simply means that Bush II succeeded in scaring the hell out of the public rather than taking responsibility for any of this.  So the Israelis keep voting in Sharon too, and the Palestinians would still be embracing Arafat were he not thankfully dead.  That proves nothing.  Though they themselves are facts, elections don't fundamentally change reality.

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PS- once again, David, thanks so much for the filtering option
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