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virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
« on: 2004-06-18 08:53:01 » |
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Vector: absa on #virus
PARIS, France (AP) -- European neo-Nazis post online pictures of
paint-smeared mosques. Web sites of Islamic radicals call for holy war on
the West. Aliases like "Jew Killer" pop up on Internet game sites.
International experts met Wednesday in Paris to tackle the tricky task of
fighting anti-Semitic, racist and xenophobic propaganda on the Internet --
seen as a chief factor in a rise in hate crime.
more at
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/06/17/online.hate.ap/index.html
I'd be interested to know how others here would answer this question: Should
some groups be censored?
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Re: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
« Reply #1 on: 2004-06-18 10:35:06 » |
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On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 13:53, David McFadzean wrote:
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> PARIS, France (AP) -- European neo-Nazis post online pictures of
> paint-smeared mosques. Web sites of Islamic radicals call for holy war on
> the West. Aliases like "Jew Killer" pop up on Internet game sites.
>
> International experts met Wednesday in Paris to tackle the tricky task of
> fighting anti-Semitic, racist and xenophobic propaganda on the Internet --
> seen as a chief factor in a rise in hate crime.
I hardly think the internet is the cause of any rise in hate crimes,
maybe it just makes them more visible to the users of the net. I grew up
in an incredibly racist community, nowadays it's a multicultural
paradise.
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> more at
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/06/17/online.hate.ap/index.html
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> I'd be interested to know how others here would answer this question: Should
> some groups be censored?
>
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Re: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
« Reply #2 on: 2004-06-18 10:42:08 » |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Kenny" <seankenny@blueyonder.co.uk>
> I hardly think the internet is the cause of any rise in hate crimes,
> maybe it just makes them more visible to the users of the net. I grew up
> in an incredibly racist community, nowadays it's a multicultural
> paradise.
I don't know whether levels of hate crimes is increasing or not, but
wouldn't you agree that the internet is allowing small groups of all kinds
greater publishing power than ever before?
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Re: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
« Reply #3 on: 2004-06-18 13:21:00 » |
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...true enough David, but there's always the bad with the good. if humans
are truly so demonic that our ugly capacities will be liberated by a few
malevolent idiots, then we have some deep deep problems that need dealing
with. the sooner we start to face them, the better.
...i have long wondered what will happen when very powerful weapons/tools
become readily available to anyone who wants them. will decades of reckless
social mismanagement come back to haunt us full force? e.g.... our gov't
readily spends hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds of lives on
nebulous(at best) military activities, and then complains about 2 billion in
unpaid student loans!
...our current legislation enforces high school attendance, but our world is
vastly more complex than it was at the time of this notion. what about
ending high school at 16 instead of 18 and enforcing a 4yr university
attendance? an unrefined concept, but you get the idea.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: David McFadzean <david@lucifer.com>
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To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:42:08 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Kenny" <seankenny@blueyonder.co.uk>
> I hardly think the internet is the cause of any rise in hate crimes,
> maybe it just makes them more visible to the users of the net. I grew up
> in an incredibly racist community, nowadays it's a multicultural
> paradise.
I don't know whether levels of hate crimes is increasing or not, but
wouldn't you agree that the internet is allowing small groups of all kinds
greater publishing power than ever before?
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RE: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
« Reply #4 on: 2004-06-18 13:27:30 » |
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...no way should they be censored. i think we all know where this sort of
thing leads. at the end of all contemplation is the final question;
"who shall be the judge? who shall proclaim the definitions?"
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: David McFadzean <david@lucifer.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:53:01 -0400
Vector: absa on #virus
PARIS, France (AP) -- European neo-Nazis post online pictures of
paint-smeared mosques. Web sites of Islamic radicals call for holy war on
the West. Aliases like "Jew Killer" pop up on Internet game sites.
International experts met Wednesday in Paris to tackle the tricky task of
fighting anti-Semitic, racist and xenophobic propaganda on the Internet --
seen as a chief factor in a rise in hate crime.
more at
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/06/17/online.hate.ap/index.html
I'd be interested to know how others here would answer this question: Should
some groups be censored?
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Re: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
« Reply #5 on: 2004-06-18 18:48:02 » |
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We always love to blame the messenger, wather than do something about the message.
Just as the internet allows small “evil” groups to organize, it also allows an equal number of “good” groups.
Whatever your vector of judgement may be...
-----Original Message-----
From: David McFadzean <david@lucifer.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:42:08
To:virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Kenny" <seankenny@blueyonder.co.uk>
> I hardly think the internet is the cause of any rise in hate crimes,
> maybe it just makes them more visible to the users of the net. I grew up
> in an incredibly racist community, nowadays it's a multicultural
> paradise.
I don't know whether levels of hate crimes is increasing or not, but
wouldn't you agree that the internet is allowing small groups of all kinds
greater publishing power than ever before?
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RE: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
« Reply #6 on: 2004-06-18 19:34:09 » |
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Everyone has the right to freedom of speech, but no one has the right to freedom from speech. I disagree with a lot of people about a lot of things, but they’re free to say whatever they want to say whenever they want to say it (except at work and in other places that need rules of etiquette for pragmatic reasons).
Unless speech directly incites violence, it should be protected. If we prohibit speech that is racist, sexist, or homophobic, will it end there? The slippery slope may be a logical fallacy, but it is also sometimes a reality: If we ban what offends us, that prods more sensitive people to try to ban what offends them, and on and on, ad infinitum.
If a person is racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, or anti-Virion, I see that as a character flaw. But it’s a character flaw that people are free to share with others who share that flaw (I swear that sentence made sense before I wrote it down).
Dr Sebby <drsebby@hotmail.com> wrote:
....no way should they be censored. i think we all know where this sort of
thing leads. at the end of all contemplation is the final question;
"who shall be the judge? who shall proclaim the definitions?"
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: David McFadzean
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus
Subject: virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:53:01 -0400
Vector: absa on #virus
PARIS, France (AP) -- European neo-Nazis post online pictures of
paint-smeared mosques. Web sites of Islamic radicals call for holy war on
the West. Aliases like "Jew Killer" pop up on Internet game sites.
International experts met Wednesday in Paris to tackle the tricky task of
fighting anti-Semitic, racist and xenophobic propaganda on the Internet --
seen as a chief factor in a rise in hate crime.
more at
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/06/17/online.hate.ap/index.html
I'd be interested to know how others here would answer this question: Should
some groups be censored?
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Re:virus: International conference targets Internet hate speech
« Reply #7 on: 2004-06-19 10:06:23 » |
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This is somehow related. It involves an underground "private sector" rather than a censorship policy. Hired guns, that is.
Computer crimes: DDoS ordered
http://www.crime-research.org/news/11.06.2004/422/
A curious offer has recently appeared on the Russian Internet. Cyber criminals offer to block access to an 'ordered' website only for $150 per day. Such attacks are not rare, but experts suspect that this offer to 'kill' a website may conceal a usual scam.
"We are glad to propose you a quality service of pulling websites, we can ball up any website with our DDoS attack," an ad e-mail with such offer was received by a correspondent of a Russian new agency.
According to a pricelist, a six-hour downtime will cost $60, 24 hours - $150, by prepayment. "I can pull any website, say Microsoft", a hacker boasted to the correspondent, introduced as a potential client. "But someone is gonna kick my ass for that, it will be enough," he added. Therein, DoZ agreed to attack www.microsoft.com for not less than $80,000 a week. For comparison, he asked a lot less to attack www.kremlin.ru , an official website of Russian President Vladimir Putin -- $2,000 a week, and then even lowered the price to $1,000.
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Also here:
Hired gun to take down sites could be a bad sign
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040618/COLUMNIST19/406180516
I've often viewed the Internet as a vast frontier, complete with its own fiefdoms, villages and range wars. If that analogy holds, we may be seeing the first of many mercenaries for hire in the search for security and protection along the frontier borders.
On the one hand, a spurious e-mail has been circulating through Russian Internet user groups from a hacker known as DoZ. For a small fee, DoZ is offering to take the Web site of your choice offline for whatever period of time you request.
Although many pundits doubt the authenticity of the claim, it's not outside the realm of possibilities.
For years, so-called "ethical" hackers have pursued their own agenda, attacking sites dedicated to pornography and pedophilia. Others have attempted to grow an online "first-strike" capability against terrorists and other enemies of the state.
The difference this time is that the DoZ offer has only one requirement: If the client has a bank account, then the target is valid.
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