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RE: virus: Concept
« Reply #1 on: 2004-06-05 03:01:18 » |
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Erik Aronesty
Sent: 05 June 2004 07:29 AM
Can we drop people from the email list ( not the bbs ) whose reputations
drop below a certain threshold?
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[Blunderov] Sounds like a good idea. In that way the reputation system
acquires a more tangible function and all the work that went into it will
not be wasted. Hmm! Drawbacks?
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Re: virus: Concept
« Reply #2 on: 2004-06-05 06:53:08 » |
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> Erik Aronesty
> Sent: 05 June 2004 07:29 AM
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> Can we drop people from the email list ( not the bbs ) whose reputations
> drop below a certain threshold?
I've been looking for a way to do that. The problem is that those who
have not yet joined the Meridion system have a reputation of zero.
David
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Re:virus: Concept
« Reply #3 on: 2004-06-05 07:44:18 » |
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Maybe the 'Meridionions' are the spawns of Meridion, the new avatar of CoV. Exclusive membership. A set of rules and regulations. A more preveilaged club. The Meridionions can deny the rest of the CoV their valuable opinions, resources, expertise and delectable company.
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Re:virus: Concept
« Reply #4 on: 2004-06-05 07:53:18 » |
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[simul] Can we drop people from the email list ( not the bbs ) whose reputations drop below a certain threshold?
[Lucifer] I've been looking for a way to do that. The problem is that those who have not yet joined the Meridion system have a reputation of zero.
[rhinoceros] It is a good idea to use what we have for value judgements (I assume that the ratings incorporate cogency, relevance, entertainment, or whatever anyone finds of value).
A first attempt would be to make the rule *not* apply to those with 0 reputation who are not in Meridion, but that would fail because one would be able to be exempt by staying out of Meridion.
I think that the only way it can be done is if everyone is automatically included in Meridion, but then the Meridion would suddenly include more than a thousand of inactive subscribers. So, we may need to make those who have not posted for, say, 1 year invisible in Meridion, and the ratings they have given void.
As a side effect, that would probably give the ratings a shift away from tradition and towards current activity.
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Re: virus: Concept
« Reply #5 on: 2004-06-05 10:41:24 » |
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So, auto-add to Meridion only if you've posted, and auto-drop from email only if more than 4 people have rated you.
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First, read Bruce Sterling's "Distraction", and then read http://electionmethods.org.
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Re: virus: Concept
« Reply #6 on: 2004-06-05 11:28:27 » |
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[simul] So, auto-add to Meridion only if you've posted, and auto-drop
from email only if more than 4 people have rated you.
[rhinoceros] The last one is not necessary. The way the system works, as
soon as someone joins Meridion he/she goes from 0 straight to a pretty
heavy 5 (unrated by everyone is same as getting a 5 from everyone). 5 is
the base rating, anything higher is a postitive judgement and anything
lower is a negative judgement. It takes a lot to get far away from 5
either way.
Also, since we don't want to make the BBS our junkyard either, we might
want to forward eveything to a single "purgatory" section ("The Memetic
Wasteland?"), where one has the chance to achieve memetic redemption.
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Re: virus: Concept
« Reply #7 on: 2004-06-05 14:36:04 » |
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At 10:41 AM 05/06/04 -0400, Eric wrote:
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I appreciate the thought people are putting into this. I particularly like
a rule "skip x and skip any replies to x." If people knew that 90% of the
list would skip their replies to flame bait, maybe they could resist better.
The problem is that the feedback needs to be taken in a way that does
minimal disruption to reading.
It might be that auto moderation through email just can't get enough
feedback. You might have to strip the mail down to subject,
author, "percentage" (original material vs news stories or other
non-original material) and a link to the web site where people can actually
read it.
If people are reading on the web site data (such as the amount of time they
spent before going to the next article) can be collected automatically--as
can authors who are just skipped.
The "next article" button could be split into "recommended to read"
"neutral" and "not recommended." That's about as intrusive as I think you
want to get.
I think news stories are sometimes split into pages in order to get
feedback. If people don't read beyond the first page, that's a negative
for the story and/or author.
I read the memetics list from both email and the web site. I think
feedback from a large fraction of people skipping certain authors there
would have been effective in discouraging certain annoying posters over the
past year or two. (Traffic on that list is very low lately.)
Email lists and news groups just don't have the face to face social
feedback with which we evolved. It is amazing that we do as well as we do
in such communications.
Appreciatively,
Keith Henson
PS. Sampling for feedback with minimum pain is a widespread engineering
problem. This last week I was working on power supply designs where
reducing the losses in the current feedback resistors was a major problem.
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Re: virus: Concept
« Reply #8 on: 2004-06-06 11:00:45 » |
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[rhinoceros] The last one is not necessary.
<Erik> Good.
[rhinoceros] ....might want to forward eveything to a single "purgatory" section ("The Memetic
Wasteland?"), where one has the chance to achieve memetic redemption.
<Erik> It should be implemented just because of the name “memetic purgatory” ...
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