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The French Problem
« on: 2004-05-30 08:52:40 » |
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I have been speaking to some people...French folks, actually..who bitterly complain about the 'welfare state' that is France..let me make it succint..apparently, the state supports all the freeloaders..hence stagnant economy...unemployment..high prices..high taxes...a large portion of the population..if not the majority..is eager for change...we all know that a welfare state isnt viable in the long run..and is infact harmful..but how does the transformance take place...how to maintain the balance between a cut throat capitalist economy and a sensible/vibrant democracy....how to trigger employment and get the money circulating...more loans? lower interest rates? withdrawal of social benefits other than the most basic...should there be a new French revolution? this discussion is specific to France only. ideas?
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RE: virus: The French Problem
« Reply #1 on: 2004-05-30 15:39:57 » |
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Bill Clinton did a great job with welfare reform in this country. That
might provide some model for the French. Of course we didn't have as total
a welfare state as I understand that France has, and furthermore Americans
are rather generous when it comes to non-governmental charity compared to
other modern democracies. Whether that is the cause (we don't need as
large a government welfare system because it would be redundant of the
private charities), or the effect (we give more because we don't expect the
government to pick up the slack), I think encouraging a robust market of
private charities would have to be part of the equation. I really don't
know enough about the French situation to say much more than that, but that
would be my first guesses. Oh yeah, and how about a little tax cut? This
coming from an American liberal who thinks that Bush's cuts are
irresponsible . . . but that is a different situation. I understand France
has some really high taxes, more than even more socialist minded folks in
the US would feel comfortable about. Anyway, that's about all I have to
offer on a subject about which I am probably ill-informed.
love,
-Jake
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> I have been speaking to some people...French folks, actually..who
bitterly complain about the 'welfare state' that is France..let me make it
succint..apparently, the state supports all the freeloaders..hence stagnant
economy...unemployment..high prices..high taxes...a large portion of the
population..if not the majority..is eager for change...we all know that a
welfare state isnt viable in the long run..and is infact harmful..but how
does the transformance take place...how to maintain the balance between a
cut throat capitalist economy and a sensible/vibrant democracy....how to
trigger employment and get the money circulating...more loans? lower
interest rates? withdrawal of social benefits other than the most
basic...should there be a new French revolution? this discussion is
specific to France only. ideas?
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Re: virus: The French Problem
« Reply #2 on: 2004-05-30 13:53:35 » |
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[Mermaid] I have been speaking to some people...French folks,
actually..who bitterly complain about the 'welfare state' that is
France..let me make it susccint..apparently, the state supports all the
freeloaders..hence stagnant economy...unemployment..high prices..high
taxes...a large portion of the population..if not the majority..is eager
for change...we all know that a welfare state isnt viable in the long
run..and is infact harmful..but how does the transformance take
place...how to maintain the balance between a cut throat capitalist
economy and a sensible/vibrant democracy....how to trigger employment
and get the money circulating...more loans? lower interest rates?
withdrawal of social benefits other than the most basic...should there
be a new French revolution? this discussion is specific to France only.
ideas?
[rhinoceros] I don't really know much about French economy, but it was
not in "my list" of highest social welfare countries until now, nor in
my list of most troubled economies. Also, some of the factors you
mentioned often work against each other in an economy. Unless we wait
for French people to post here and make their arguments and
counter-arguments, could you ask the person who made the complaint to be
more specific about what the situation is and their suggested remedies?
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