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RE: virus: Apocalypse Now!
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[Blunderov] Seems Erik's recent speculation is not without foundation.
Best Regards
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/086669.htm?terms=n620c
<excerpt>
Administration Consults with "Rapture Christians" Over Israel
Many people will think that I must be joking, and I wish I were - but if the
evidence is true, the Bush administration has been consulting with "Rapture
Christians" about foreign policy. Specifically, administration officials
have met with the "Apostolic Congress" about upcoming moves regarding Israel
and the Palestinians</excerpt>.
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The problem, as Perlstein notes, isn't that George W. Bush consulted with
devout Christians - the problem is that he consulted with people
uninterested in peace about the process for achieving peace in the Middle
East. Yes, that's right, Christian Zionists are uninterested in peace: they
take literally the Bible's claims about Armageddon and they expect it to
happen because of the Palestinian issue. Either the Bush administration is
also uninterested in peace or they aren't bright enough to figure out what
they are consulting with the wrong people. </excerpt>
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RE: virus: Apocalypse Now!
« Reply #1 on: 2004-05-29 11:18:47 » |
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[Blunderov] Seems Erik's recent speculation is not without foundation.
Best Regards
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/086669.htm?terms=n620c
[rhinoceros]
That would be funny if it was not... apocalyptic. I saw it last week when Jonesey posted the link in the #virus IRC channel.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0420/perlstein.php
There was a related story by George Monbiot in Guardian which I posted in the BBS last month. It made me wonder if there are really people that matter who make their decisions in such ways:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html
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In the United States, several million people have succumbed to an extraordinary delusion. In the 19th century, two immigrant preachers cobbled together a series of unrelated passages from the Bible to create what appears to be a consistent narrative: Jesus will return to Earth when certain preconditions have been met. The first of these was the establishment of a state of Israel. The next involves Israel's occupation of the rest of its "biblical lands" (most of the Middle East), and the rebuilding of the Third Temple on the site now occupied by the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa mosques. The legions of the antichrist will then be deployed against Israel, and their war will lead to a final showdown in the valley of Armageddon. The Jews will either burn or convert to Christianity, and the Messiah will return to Earth.
What makes the story so appealing to Christian fundamentalists is that before the big battle begins, all "true believers" (ie those who believe what they believe) will be lifted out of their clothes and wafted up to heaven during an event called the Rapture. Not only do the worthy get to sit at the right hand of God, but they will be able to watch, from the best seats, their political and religious opponents being devoured by boils, sores, locusts and frogs, during the seven years of Tribulation which follow.
The true believers are now seeking to bring all this about. This means staging confrontations at the old temple site (in 2000, three US Christians were deported for trying to blow up the mosques there), sponsoring Jewish settlements in the occupied territories, demanding ever more US support for Israel, and seeking to provoke a final battle with the Muslim world/Axis of Evil/United Nations/ European Union/France or whoever the legions of the antichrist turn out to be.
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By clicking on http://www.raptureready.com, you can discover how close you might be to flying out of your pyjamas. The infidels among us should take note that the Rapture Index currently stands at 144, just one point below the critical threshold, beyond which the sky will be filled with floating nudists.
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[rhinoceros]
I had a hard time to believe that this is not a mock site. It features analysis of curent politics in the light of "the rupture", instuctions for those "left behind" and, of course, the current "rupture index" which is curently at 144. Are there really such kooks elected in positions of responsibility in numbers that matter?
http://www.raptureready.com
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RE: virus: Apocalypse Now!
« Reply #2 on: 2004-05-29 13:58:38 » |
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[Blunderov]There's more on the subject at
http://www.thenation.com/outrage/index.mhtml?bid=6
(Love the title of the now defunct blog "The Daily Outrage")
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<excerpt>
And does it make things clearer if you consider the group's representative
in Israel "believed herself to have been attacked by witchcraft unleashed by
proximity to a volume of Harry Potter"? That she refers to converting Jews
to Christianity as "Circumcision of the Heart"?
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RE: virus: Apocalypse Now!
« Reply #3 on: 2004-05-29 20:44:24 » |
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I suppose I had thought this was pretty obvious. The current US
administration is clearly the most religious right one we have ever had.
This ideological brain damage which is rampant in the neocons of this
administration, is and has been a major root cause for their foreign policy
failures and their continued blind commitment to these failures. Bushy
himself called for a "crusade on terror", twice just in case we weren't
sure he meant it the first time. The Republican party has since Reagan
actively courted Christian Zionists, although this is the first
administration that has taken them into the inner circle and so
wholeheartedly relied on them for foreign policy cues. For those of you
outside the US who may doubt it, yes, there really are VERY important who
matter a lot in this country who really do make their decisions this way.
For two, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are not just opportunists to this
cultural idiocy, but true believers themselves. Islamic Jihadists,
whatever other crazy ideas they have in their heads, have reasonable
justification for their view of the US, particularly this administration,
as Christian crusaders.
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to
Christianity." -Ann Coulter
-Jake
> [Original Message]
> From: rhinoceros <rhinoceros@freemail.gr>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 05/29/2004 8:18:47 AM
> Subject: RE: virus: Apocalypse Now!
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> [Blunderov] Seems Erik's recent speculation is not without foundation.
> Best Regards
>
> http://atheism.about.com/b/a/086669.htm?terms=n620c
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> [rhinoceros]
> That would be funny if it was not... apocalyptic. I saw it last week when
Jonesey posted the link in the #virus IRC channel.
>
> http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0420/perlstein.php
>
> There was a related story by George Monbiot in Guardian which I posted in
the BBS last month. It made me wonder if there are really people that
matter who make their decisions in such ways:
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html
>
> <begin quote>
> In the United States, several million people have succumbed to an
extraordinary delusion. In the 19th century, two immigrant preachers
cobbled together a series of unrelated passages from the Bible to create
what appears to be a consistent narrative: Jesus will return to Earth when
certain preconditions have been met. The first of these was the
establishment of a state of Israel. The next involves Israel's occupation
of the rest of its "biblical lands" (most of the Middle East), and the
rebuilding of the Third Temple on the site now occupied by the Dome of the
Rock and al-Aqsa mosques. The legions of the antichrist will then be
deployed against Israel, and their war will lead to a final showdown in the
valley of Armageddon. The Jews will either burn or convert to Christianity,
and the Messiah will return to Earth.
>
> What makes the story so appealing to Christian fundamentalists is that
before the big battle begins, all "true believers" (ie those who believe
what they believe) will be lifted out of their clothes and wafted up to
heaven during an event called the Rapture. Not only do the worthy get to
sit at the right hand of God, but they will be able to watch, from the best
seats, their political and religious opponents being devoured by boils,
sores, locusts and frogs, during the seven years of Tribulation which
follow.
>
> The true believers are now seeking to bring all this about. This means
staging confrontations at the old temple site (in 2000, three US Christians
were deported for trying to blow up the mosques there), sponsoring Jewish
settlements in the occupied territories, demanding ever more US support for
Israel, and seeking to provoke a final battle with the Muslim world/Axis of
Evil/United Nations/ European Union/France or whoever the legions of the
antichrist turn out to be.
>
> <snip>
>
> By clicking on www.raptureready.com, you can discover how close you might
be to flying out of your pyjamas. The infidels among us should take note
that the Rapture Index currently stands at 144, just one point below the
critical threshold, beyond which the sky will be filled with floating
nudists.
> <end quote>
>
>
> [rhinoceros]
> I had a hard time to believe that this is not a mock site. It features
analysis of curent politics in the light of "the rupture", instuctions for
those "left behind" and, of course, the current "rupture index" which is
curently at 144. Are there really such kooks elected in positions of
responsibility in numbers that matter?
>
> www.raptureready.com
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RE: virus: Apocalypse Now!
« Reply #4 on: 2004-06-06 08:22:54 » |
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[Blunderov] 'Uh oh.' (Rainman) Best Regards.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml
Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides
By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Jun 4, 2004, 06:15
<q>
President George W. Bush's increasingly erratic behavior and wide mood
swings has the halls of the West Wing buzzing lately as aides privately
express growing concern over their leader's state of mind.
In meetings with top aides and administration officials, the President goes
from quoting the Bible in one breath to obscene tantrums against the media,
Democrats and others that he classifies as "enemies of the state."
Worried White House aides paint a portrait of a man on the edge,
increasingly wary of those who disagree with him and paranoid of a public
that no longer trusts his policies in Iraq or at home.
"It reminds me of the Nixon days," says a longtime GOP political consultant
with contacts in the White House. "Everybody is an enemy; everybody is out
to get him. That's the mood over there."
In interviews with a number of White House staffers who were willing to talk
off the record, a picture of an administration under siege has emerged, led
by a man who declares his decisions to be "God's will" and then tells aides
to "fuck over" anyone they consider to be an opponent of the administration.
"We're at war, there's no doubt about it. What I don't know anymore is just
who the enemy might be," says one troubled White House aide. "We seem to
spend more time trying to destroy John Kerry than al Qaeda and our enemies
list just keeps growing and growing."
Aides say the President gets "hung up on minor details," micromanaging to
the extreme while ignoring the bigger picture. He will spend hours
personally reviewing and approving every attack ad against his Democratic
opponent and then kiss off a meeting on economic issues.
"This is what is killing us on Iraq," one aide says. "We lost focus. The
President got hung up on the weapons of mass destruction and an unproven
link to al Qaeda. We could have found other justifiable reasons for the war
but the President insisted the focus stay on those two, tenuous items."
Aides who raise questions quickly find themselves shut out of access to the
President or other top advisors. Among top officials, Bush's inner circle is
shrinking. Secretary of State Colin Powell has fallen out of favor because
of his growing doubts about the administration's war against Iraq.
The President's abrupt dismissal of CIA Directory George Tenet Wednesday
night is, aides say, an example of how he works.
"Tenet wanted to quit last year but the President got his back up and
wouldn't hear of it," says an aide. "That would have been the opportune time
to make a change, not in the middle of an election campaign but when the
director challenged the President during the meeting Wednesday, the
President cut him off by saying 'that's it George. I cannot abide
disloyalty. I want your resignation and I want it now."
Tenet was allowed to resign "voluntarily" and Bush informed his shocked
staff of the decision Thursday morning. One aide says the President actually
described the decision as "God's will." </q>
God may also be the reason Attorney General John Ashcroft, the
administration's lightning rod because of his questionable actions that
critics argue threatens freedoms granted by the Constitution, remains part
of the power elite. West Wing staffers call Bush and Ashcroft "the Blues
Brothers" because "they're on a mission from God."
"The Attorney General is tight with the President because of religion," says
one aide. "They both believe any action is justifiable in the name of God."
But the President who says he rules at the behest of God can also
tongue-lash those he perceives as disloyal, calling them "fucking assholes"
in front of other staff, berating one cabinet official in front of others
and labeling anyone who disagrees with him "unpatriotic" or "anti-American."
"The mood here is that we're under siege, there's no doubt about it," says
one troubled aide who admits he is looking for work elsewhere. "In this
administration, you don't have to wear a turban or speak Farsi to be an
enemy of the United States. All you have to do is disagree with the
President."
The White House did not respond to requests for comment on the record.
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