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virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
« on: 2004-03-15 17:32:37 » |
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Is it just my imagination, or didn't we (CoV) used to spend a lot more
time on subjects like science, history of science, separating
pseudo-science from empirical science, evolutionary biology, genetics,
astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology, written history, ancient history,
biochemistry, complexity theory, memetics, etc.?
Nowadays, it seems like we spend an inordinate amount of time on
SUBJECTIVE, GEOPOLITICAL FU*KING HORSESH*T!!!!
I think (duh) it changed around 9/11/2001.
Walter
PS1 --FYI - IMHO---The current US whitehouse administration are the
sleaziest bunch of comrades I've ever seen in that building.
I much preferred the love-juice sprayin previous administration, except
for his NAFTA support.
PS2 --I just had to get that highly subjective opinion in. And no, I'm
not looking for a debate. It's just my fu*king opinion and I could be
wrong (copyright 2004--Dennis Miller)
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Re: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
« Reply #1 on: 2004-03-15 23:31:13 » |
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The same has happened with many other lists, including wta-talk.
I used to fight it and tell people to stay on topic, but I've come to accept that perhaps there's a wisdom in the group mind.
I've also noticed that Nature magazine, a respected science journal, bashes the Bush administration in many issues.
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Re: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
« Reply #2 on: 2004-03-16 02:16:03 » |
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At 04:32 PM 15/03/04 -0600, you wrote:
>Is it just my imagination, or didn't we (CoV) used to spend a lot more
>time on subjects like science, history of science, separating
>pseudo-science from empirical science, evolutionary biology, genetics,
>astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology, written history, ancient history,
>biochemistry, complexity theory, memetics, etc.?
>Nowadays, it seems like we spend an inordinate amount of time on
>SUBJECTIVE, GEOPOLITICAL FU*KING HORSESH*T!!!!
You can raise any post about current events to a meta level. What is going
on is not hard to understand in memetics and evolutionary psychology terms.
For example, take the recent train bombings in Spain and the reaction to them.
EP theory says our psychological traits were shaped by millions of years of
living and (most important) reproducing in small tribes. When the game was
hunted out, the berrys all picked and starvation looming it was time to
move on if you could.
If (as was usually the case) there were other tribes blocking your movement
in all directions, your tribe picked one of them, dehumanized them with
xenophobic memes and attacked.
If you were attacked you fought back.
Now if Spain had been attacked *before* they took part in Iraq, they would
have gone on the warpath fully justified on stomping the "rag heads." But
they were not. They joined the US (which was attacked and thereby
motivated) and took part in an attack on Iraq which really wasn't
justified--especially in the post analysis. (Other than speaking the same
language, Iraq didn't have anything to do with the 9/11 attacks nor did
they have any nukes, poison gas or germs.)
So in EP/tribal terms, the "Spanish tribe" was none too happy about being
sucked into the Iraq mess. Ghod knows they have their own crew of trouble
makers. Given a chance, a swing segment of the population voted for the
party that would get them out.
(An interesting side effect is that the "Spanish tribe" has lumped Iraq and
bin Laden's cult into one tribe--just like the bin Laden cult leaders wanted.)
It probably isn't going to get Spain out of the line of fire, because
according to the theory what drives the bin Laden cult is the realization
that "income per capita" has been falling. I make the case from EP that
this maps into the same motivation as looming starvation did when we were
living in small tribes.
What bin Laden is after (though he certainly does not know this
consciously) is for his tribe to kill all of the males in our tribe and
take the women and resources, or failing that, for the males in his "tribe"
to be wiped out and those he attacked to absorb his tribe's women, thus
saving his genes from starvation.
The particular xenophobic memes of Islamic fundamentalism don't matter. If
they didn't have those memes, other xenophobic memes would have "justified"
attacking. The Easter Islander's sorted themselves out into "long ears"
and "short ears" and went at it till 90-95% of the population was gone and
the badly damaged ecosystem could recover a bit.
The fact that this entire business is just insane is to be expected. Genes
that induced this kind of meme based insanity in the face of periodic
downturns in the productivity of the ecosystem did better than genes for
being rational.
How does the US get out?
Darned if I know.
Rising income per capita in the Islamic world would do the trick, like it
eventually did in Northern Ireland. But to do that requires rising
productivity and falling birth rates, neither of which look likely in that
culture. Birth control wouldn't get any support from the current US
administration either (especially if based on an evolution theory!). A
major epidemic perhaps. (If there are any historians around who want to
research if wars become less common after a major die off, please contact me.)
I don't see any way to get rid of the responsibility the US took on in Iraq
either. It would have to be something in the same insanity class as
9/11. We could, I suppose, punish the people of Iraq for not being
grateful enough for our invasion by putting Saddam back in power. But
that's probably not insane enough.
Swapping half (or more) of the people in Iraq with US citizens just might
be insane enough to work.
All of this is going on far out of our environment of evolutionary
adaption--so take even the humor parts with a grain of salt.
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RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
« Reply #3 on: 2004-03-16 05:38:35 » |
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Praise be to the only sane man in house - WALTER WATTS!!!
With fondest regards,
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
Walter Watts
Sent: 15 March 2004 22:33
To: virus
Subject: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
Is it just my imagination, or didn't we (CoV) used to spend a lot more time
on subjects like science, history of science, separating pseudo-science from
empirical science, evolutionary biology, genetics, astronomy, astrophysics,
cosmology, written history, ancient history, biochemistry, complexity
theory, memetics, etc.?
Nowadays, it seems like we spend an inordinate amount of time on SUBJECTIVE,
GEOPOLITICAL FU*KING HORSESH*T!!!!
I think (duh) it changed around 9/11/2001.
Walter
PS1 --FYI - IMHO---The current US whitehouse administration are the
sleaziest bunch of comrades I've ever seen in that building.
I much preferred the love-juice sprayin previous administration, except for
his NAFTA support.
PS2 --I just had to get that highly subjective opinion in. And no, I'm not
looking for a debate. It's just my fu*king opinion and I could be wrong
(copyright 2004--Dennis Miller)
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Tulsa Network Solutions, Inc.
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RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
« Reply #4 on: 2004-03-16 06:02:41 » |
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Well that it then! When the *authorities* say it so, tis certain so.
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From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
Erik Aronesty
Sent: 16 March 2004 04:31
To: Church of Virus
Subject: Re: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
The same has happened with many other lists, including wta-talk.
I used to fight it and tell people to stay on topic, but I've come to accept
that perhaps there's a wisdom in the group mind.
I've also noticed that Nature magazine, a respected science journal, bashes
the Bush administration in many issues.
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Re: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
« Reply #5 on: 2004-03-16 07:45:56 » |
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...the CoV entertains all...and endures all. if it is something that will
pass, we will be there after it passes. if it pauses in passing, we shall
bide our time as we have done before. the CoV bends like the willow, not
like the oak. patience with your thoughts. even if you fail in this
endeavor, the CoV shall not.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: "Church of Virus" <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: Re: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:31:13 -0400
The same has happened with many other lists, including wta-talk.
I used to fight it and tell people to stay on topic, but I've come to accept
that perhaps there's a wisdom in the group mind.
I've also noticed that Nature magazine, a respected science journal, bashes
the Bush administration in many issues.
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RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
« Reply #6 on: 2004-03-16 08:00:15 » |
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...jonathan...you may not realize this and perhaps we are all to blame for
failing to let you know, but Walter is actually a parti-colored cocker
spaniel that lives in the midwest. his owners allow him liberal access to
computers and telescopes...but keep in mind that he has an
as-of-yet-undetermined set of objectives. to go along with his little
stories only empowers him. i cant tell you all we know about this "walter"
fellow just yet...but let it be known to you that his trickery goes several
levels down. for example, he knows now that i am writing this letter
regarding his real identity...he in turn knows that you will never believe
it...and will likely prey upon each and every loophole i provide to subtlely
discredit my words. it has happened several times already....but the
evidence is quickly erased. his power and range exceed all of ours. all i
ask is that; as this letter of mine blows over in silence or laughter(as has
been the case many times before) please consider for a moment that i might
be telling the truth. help us all if you can!!!!
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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From: "Jonathan Davis" <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:38:35 -0000
Praise be to the only sane man in house - WALTER WATTS!!!
With fondest regards,
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
Walter Watts
Sent: 15 March 2004 22:33
To: virus
Subject: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
Is it just my imagination, or didn't we (CoV) used to spend a lot more time
on subjects like science, history of science, separating pseudo-science from
empirical science, evolutionary biology, genetics, astronomy, astrophysics,
cosmology, written history, ancient history, biochemistry, complexity
theory, memetics, etc.?
Nowadays, it seems like we spend an inordinate amount of time on SUBJECTIVE,
GEOPOLITICAL FU*KING HORSESH*T!!!!
I think (duh) it changed around 9/11/2001.
Walter
PS1 --FYI - IMHO---The current US whitehouse administration are the
sleaziest bunch of comrades I've ever seen in that building.
I much preferred the love-juice sprayin previous administration, except for
his NAFTA support.
PS2 --I just had to get that highly subjective opinion in. And no, I'm not
looking for a debate. It's just my fu*king opinion and I could be wrong
(copyright 2004--Dennis Miller)
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Walter Watts
Tulsa Network Solutions, Inc.
"Pursue the small utopias... nature, music, friendship, love"
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RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
« Reply #7 on: 2004-03-16 08:38:10 » |
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Damn Sebby! I knew there was a certain hound-like tone to Walter's posts,
but I thought it was just his love of dogs.
Does he answer questions about the real taste of testicles or whether dogs
really dream about flying over fields of steak? Perhaps we are limited to
super strings theory and the shape of the universe?
Is he in the same place as Doogie the genius rat?
Regards
Jonathan, Canophile.
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From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
Dr Sebby
Sent: 16 March 2004 13:00
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
...jonathan...you may not realize this and perhaps we are all to blame for
failing to let you know, but Walter is actually a parti-colored cocker
spaniel that lives in the midwest. his owners allow him liberal access to
computers and telescopes...but keep in mind that he has an
as-of-yet-undetermined set of objectives. to go along with his little
stories only empowers him. i cant tell you all we know about this "walter"
fellow just yet...but let it be known to you that his trickery goes several
levels down. for example, he knows now that i am writing this letter
regarding his real identity...he in turn knows that you will never believe
it...and will likely prey upon each and every loophole i provide to subtlely
discredit my words. it has happened several times already....but the
evidence is quickly erased. his power and range exceed all of ours. all i
ask is that; as this letter of mine blows over in silence or laughter(as has
been the case many times before) please consider for a moment that i might
be telling the truth. help us all if you can!!!!
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jonathan Davis" <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:38:35 -0000
Praise be to the only sane man in house - WALTER WATTS!!!
With fondest regards,
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
Walter Watts
Sent: 15 March 2004 22:33
To: virus
Subject: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
Is it just my imagination, or didn't we (CoV) used to spend a lot more time
on subjects like science, history of science, separating pseudo-science from
empirical science, evolutionary biology, genetics, astronomy, astrophysics,
cosmology, written history, ancient history, biochemistry, complexity
theory, memetics, etc.?
Nowadays, it seems like we spend an inordinate amount of time on SUBJECTIVE,
GEOPOLITICAL FU*KING HORSESH*T!!!!
I think (duh) it changed around 9/11/2001.
Walter
PS1 --FYI - IMHO---The current US whitehouse administration are the
sleaziest bunch of comrades I've ever seen in that building.
I much preferred the love-juice sprayin previous administration, except for
his NAFTA support.
PS2 --I just had to get that highly subjective opinion in. And no, I'm not
looking for a debate. It's just my fu*king opinion and I could be wrong
(copyright 2004--Dennis Miller)
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Walter Watts
Tulsa Network Solutions, Inc.
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RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
« Reply #8 on: 2004-03-16 08:39:01 » |
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Are you sure Walter is not just an cynanthrope?
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
Dr Sebby
Sent: 16 March 2004 13:00
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
...jonathan...you may not realize this and perhaps we are all to blame for
failing to let you know, but Walter is actually a parti-colored cocker
spaniel that lives in the midwest. his owners allow him liberal access to
computers and telescopes...but keep in mind that he has an
as-of-yet-undetermined set of objectives. to go along with his little
stories only empowers him. i cant tell you all we know about this "walter"
fellow just yet...but let it be known to you that his trickery goes several
levels down. for example, he knows now that i am writing this letter
regarding his real identity...he in turn knows that you will never believe
it...and will likely prey upon each and every loophole i provide to subtlely
discredit my words. it has happened several times already....but the
evidence is quickly erased. his power and range exceed all of ours. all i
ask is that; as this letter of mine blows over in silence or laughter(as has
been the case many times before) please consider for a moment that i might
be telling the truth. help us all if you can!!!!
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jonathan Davis" <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:38:35 -0000
Praise be to the only sane man in house - WALTER WATTS!!!
With fondest regards,
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
Walter Watts
Sent: 15 March 2004 22:33
To: virus
Subject: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
Is it just my imagination, or didn't we (CoV) used to spend a lot more time
on subjects like science, history of science, separating pseudo-science from
empirical science, evolutionary biology, genetics, astronomy, astrophysics,
cosmology, written history, ancient history, biochemistry, complexity
theory, memetics, etc.?
Nowadays, it seems like we spend an inordinate amount of time on SUBJECTIVE,
GEOPOLITICAL FU*KING HORSESH*T!!!!
I think (duh) it changed around 9/11/2001.
Walter
PS1 --FYI - IMHO---The current US whitehouse administration are the
sleaziest bunch of comrades I've ever seen in that building.
I much preferred the love-juice sprayin previous administration, except for
his NAFTA support.
PS2 --I just had to get that highly subjective opinion in. And no, I'm not
looking for a debate. It's just my fu*king opinion and I could be wrong
(copyright 2004--Dennis Miller)
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Walter Watts
Tulsa Network Solutions, Inc.
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Re: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
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Dr Sebby wrote:
> ...jonathan...you may not realize this and perhaps we are all to blame for
> failing to let you know, but Walter is actually a parti-colored cocker
> spaniel that lives in the midwest. his owners allow him liberal access to
> computers and telescopes...but keep in mind that he has an
> as-of-yet-undetermined set of objectives. to go along with his little
> stories only empowers him. i cant tell you all we know about this "walter"
> fellow just yet...but let it be known to you that his trickery goes several
> levels down. for example, he knows now that i am writing this letter
> regarding his real identity...he in turn knows that you will never believe
> it...and will likely prey upon each and every loophole i provide to subtlely
> discredit my words. it has happened several times already....but the
> evidence is quickly erased. his power and range exceed all of ours. all i
> ask is that; as this letter of mine blows over in silence or laughter(as has
> been the case many times before) please consider for a moment that i might
> be telling the truth. help us all if you can!!!!
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Jonathan Davis" <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Subject: RE: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:38:35 -0000
>
> Praise be to the only sane man in house - WALTER WATTS!!!
>
> With fondest regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
> Walter Watts
> Sent: 15 March 2004 22:33
> To: virus
> Subject: virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
>
> Is it just my imagination, or didn't we (CoV) used to spend a lot more time
> on subjects like science, history of science, separating pseudo-science from
> empirical science, evolutionary biology, genetics, astronomy, astrophysics,
> cosmology, written history, ancient history, biochemistry, complexity
> theory, memetics, etc.?
>
> Nowadays, it seems like we spend an inordinate amount of time on SUBJECTIVE,
> GEOPOLITICAL FU*KING HORSESH*T!!!!
>
> I think (duh) it changed around 9/11/2001.
>
> Walter
>
> PS1 --FYI - IMHO---The current US whitehouse administration are the
> sleaziest bunch of comrades I've ever seen in that building.
>
> I much preferred the love-juice sprayin previous administration, except for
> his NAFTA support.
>
> PS2 --I just had to get that highly subjective opinion in. And no, I'm not
> looking for a debate. It's just my fu*king opinion and I could be wrong
> (copyright 2004--Dennis Miller)
>
> --
>
> Walter Watts
> Tulsa Network Solutions, Inc.
>
> "Pursue the small utopias... nature, music, friendship, love"
> --Kupferberg--
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Re:virus: we spend an inordinate amount of time on ?
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[Walter]
Is it just my imagination, or didn't we (CoV) used to spend a lot more time on subjects like science, history of science, separating pseudo-science from empirical science, evolutionary biology, genetics, astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology, written history, ancient history, biochemistry, complexity theory, memetics, etc.?
Nowadays, it seems like we spend an inordinate amount of time on SUBJECTIVE, GEOPOLITICAL FU*KING HORSESH*T!!!!
I think (duh) it changed around 9/11/2001.
[rhinoceros]
Ah, but don't forget we are only human. This old poem shows how it is... somehow.
http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=27189
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