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Re: virus: Re: virus: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E9ja?= vu All Over Again in Haiti
« on: 2004-03-06 16:49:40 » |
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I've NO idea what Aristide's policies or conduct were, but just looking at pictures
of his face, he looks like he might be a little slow out of the hut.
Walter
Dr Sebby wrote:
> ....although the guy was apparently quite the corrupt cunt. i suspect that
> the US govt. waits for a natural weakness and THEN slip into the situation.
> Haiti has been a long standing example of earthly hell. NOTHING we could do
> could make it worse at this point...so all complaints are somewhat
> discountable imo.
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Erik Aronesty" <erik@zoneedit.com>
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: virus: Re: virus: Déja vu All Over Again in Haiti
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:34:00 -0400
>
> We just didn't want a populist president in Haiti.
>
> The word is that we kidnapped the president.
>
> Standard US imperialist pattern: use the CIA to prop up a dictator, wait
> until he ruins country, then “rescue” the country with an invasion.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jei <jei@cc.hut.fi>
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:25:21
> To:virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: virus: Déja vu All Over Again in Haiti
>
> http://www.independent.org/tii/news/040302Eland.html
>
> Déja vu All Over Again in Haiti
> By Ivan Eland
>
> When Americans see unrest, violence, rebellion or civil war in other nations
> on the TV news, they often rightly sympathize with the plight of the foreign
> citizens put at risk. Yet news is.well,.news, not history. Americans rarely
> realize that their own government, somewhere along the line, most likely
> contributed to the crisis du jour.
>
> The United States is a superpower that meddles frequently-either overtly or
> covertly-in the business of nations all over the world. Americans just
> assume that such interventions have a positive effect in the countries
> concerned. All to often, however, what seemed to U.S. policymakers like a
> good idea at the time turns out to be counterproductive, and sometimes
> disastrous, in the long-term. For example, in the 1980s, the United States
> helped Iraq, which had invaded Iran, defeat and weaken that chief regional
> rival-all the while looking the other way when Iraq used poison gas against
> Iran and Iranian supported Iraqi Kurds. No longer worried about Iran after
> that victory, Iraq was then free to invade Kuwait, and the result was 13
> years of war between the United States and its former secret ally. Likewise,
> during that same decade, the Carter and Reagan administrations, to oppose
> their Soviet Cold War rival, funded and trained radical Islamic rebels in
> remote, non-strategic Afghanistan. After the rebels won that war, some of
> them turned on the United States and became al Qaeda-one of the most dire
> threats to the U.S. homeland in the history of the republic.
>
> And similarly, if we dig below the latest happenings in Haiti, we find much
> more than first meets the eye. Much of Haiti's current problem lies in weak
> civil institutions and no rule of law. Unfortunately, U.S. government policy
> toward Haiti has contributed heavily to that state of affairs. Throughout
> the 20th century, the U.S. military intervened repeatedly in Haiti. From
> 1915 to 1934, the U.S. Marines even occupied the country. During that time,
> they dissolved Haiti's parliament, instituted martial law and created the
> thuggish Haitian army. That army-containing senior officers on the CIA's
> payroll- overthrew a democratically-elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 1991.
> The remnants of it, with U.S. help, have just done it again.
>
> In 1994, Bill Clinton, a Democrat, threatened to invade Haiti if the Haitian
> military did not restore Aristide to power. But George W. Bush, a
> Republican, having less use for the left-leaning leader, has now forced him
> out. But there is more to schizophrenic U.S. policy than simply left-right
> politics. In 1994, Haiti's internal strife was causing boatloads of refugees
> to make a mad dash for Florida, a key electoral state. Although Haitians
> then were fleeing mayhem, torture and other gross human rights violations,
> the U.S. Coast Guard forced them back to Haiti. Similarly, the final straw
> for George W. Bush during the current crisis was an attack on a Haitian
> Coast Guard installation by pro-Aristide supporters-an attempt to shut down
> the return of refugees. The number of boat people now fleeing the Caribbean
> nation is less than in 1994, but the chaos and potential all-out civil war
> there threatened to dramatically increase the flow. Keeping Haitian refugees
> out of the United States is the primary driver of policy for both Democratic
> and Republican administrations.
>
> Of course, both the Clinton and Bush administrations must bear the moral
> responsibility for directing a rich nation to turn away poor refugees, many
> of whose lives have been endangered. But the Bush administration is also put
> in the embarrassing position of ousting a democratically-elected leader
> after its high-flying rhetoric about invading Iraq to spread democracy.
> Granted, there were irregularities in Aristide's election win in 2000 and
> plenty of corruption (there always is in Haiti), but Aristide was elected
> twice and even peacefully turned power over to a successor in 1996.
> Furthermore, the opposition fighters-many formerly in the army, police and
> paramilitary-have thuggish pasts as bad or worse than Aristide's.
>
> No workable solution can be imposed from the outside on Haitians, least of
> all by a superpower that helped destroy Haitian civil society in the first
> place. Haitians have to learn to solve their own problems, instead of always
> looking to the United States to send troops to bring temporary peace. Racing
> in with military forces to quell disorder merely rewards those local forces
> perennially initiating violence to draw in the United States. Paradoxically,
> if the United States declared that it would not interfere in Haitian society
> in any way under any circumstances, more Haitian lives would probably be
> saved in the long-term and the country would likely be better off. That is,
> removing the reward for violence would likely lessen its occurrence.
>
> But instead, the United States has again sent the Marines to Haiti. Don't
> expect it to be the last time.
>
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