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virus: Responsibility
« on: 2004-02-08 17:34:32 » |
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Responsibility: A Virian Virtue:
Responsibility begins with the willingness to be the cause in the matter of one's life. Ultimately, itis a context (perspective) from which one chooses to live.
Responsibility is not a burden, fault, blame, credit, shame, or guilt. In responsiblity there's no evaluation of what's right or wrong.
No one can make you responsible, nor can you impose responsbility on another. It is a grace you give yourself - an empowering context (perspective) that leaves you wuth a say in the matter of life.
(NOTE: this memetic definition of responsibility was crafted so as to empower the user. It may not be everyone's definition. It is not necessarily “correct”. Howecer if you try this on for, say, a week, you will find that the benefits are tangible.)
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RE: virus: Responsibility
« Reply #1 on: 2004-02-09 18:02:17 » |
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...responsibility exists regardless of what we want. "taking"
responsibility is what youre speaking of...which is why i think
accountability might be a more accurate term.
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Responsibility: A Virian Virtue:
Responsibility begins with the willingness to be the cause in the matter of
one's life. Ultimately, itis a context (perspective) from which one chooses
to live.
Responsibility is not a burden, fault, blame, credit, shame, or guilt. In
responsiblity there's no evaluation of what's right or wrong.
No one can make you responsible, nor can you impose responsbility on
another. It is a grace you give yourself - an empowering context
(perspective) that leaves you wuth a say in the matter of life.
(NOTE: this memetic definition of responsibility was crafted so as to
empower the user. It may not be everyone's definition. It is not
necessarily “correct”. Howecer if you try this on for, say, a week, you
will find that the benefits are tangible.)
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Re: virus: Responsibility
« Reply #2 on: 2004-02-09 21:25:56 » |
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Accountibility is something you hold others to.
People often feel they are endowed with a special right to hold others accountable.
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Re: virus: Responsibility
« Reply #3 on: 2004-02-10 01:53:14 » |
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I've been toying with this since you mentioned it. I think that
responsibility, as you seem to understand it is implicit within the three
virtues, Reason, Empathy, and Vision. Through empathy we become aware of
the social sense of accountability; the way we come to understand that some
individuals are more reliable than others, or the way that individuals may
be more reliable in some ways and less so in others. Through reason and
vision, we begin to see how we ourselves fit into this social universe, how
we would like to fit into it, and how we can develop a sense of
self-reliance - knowing that we can count on ourselves to follow through in
ways that are good for ourselves. I think perhaps what we are really
talking about here in this discussion is the fact that some people are
generally unreliable in just about any way one could hope for in a social
sense. Quite possibly they even view themselves as unreliable too. Here I
think the senseless sins kick in to remind us of the senselessness of
apathy.
I like the virtues (reason, empathy, vision) and sins (hypocrisy, apathy,
and dogmatism) because as concepts they are fairly straightforward. The
problem I see with responsibility is that it can easily be used in ways
that are crosswise, even though it does (and perhaps even because it does)
seem to indicate some fairly important characteristics that we value in a
social sense. We want others to think of us as responsible, and we quite
freely make judgements about the responsibility of others, even if we may
remain quiet about it. It's part and parcel of navigating the social
universe as well of living within it. The problem comes in that we also
tend to want to hold people responsible in unreasonable ways depending on
our own interest in the situation. Just because I like X, and I think X is
a good thing, doesn't mean that other people are responsible for X. For
example, if someone believes that abstinence from vices is a good thing,
then they would probably think I was pretty irresponsible. I, of course,
wouldn't really give a damn, which they of course would interpret as
irresponsible or even apathetic. If one thought were to think ethnic
purity is a moral good, then to that person Milosovich is a quite
responsible person. Of course we all think of responsibility is a good
thing, but just as often people who make a virtue out of it are simply
using it as club to beat people who disagree with them or otherwise don't
share their interests. I think of responsibility as good thing more in the
sense that I think of money as a good thing. Definitely a good thing, but
not necessarily a virtuous thing.
-Jake
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> Accountibility is something you hold others to.
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> People often feel they are endowed with a special right to hold others
accountable.
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Re: virus: Responsibility
« Reply #4 on: 2004-02-10 02:15:00 » |
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...What? accountability is equally applied to oneself...e.g. I hold
myself accountable for my life and the events therein.(which i do). where
did you get this odd meaning of the word that you keep mentioning?
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:25:56 -0400
Accountibility is something you hold others to.
People often feel they are endowed with a special right to hold others
accountable.
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Re: virus: Responsibility
« Reply #5 on: 2004-02-10 09:32:17 » |
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Ah. True accountability ... when held to onesself...
All too often in our society is heard the phras “we will hold the evildoers accountable for their actions”
So I prefer the focus on being responsible.. Being the cause in the matter of ones's life, one's society, etc.
Responsibility, once taken... is then appropriately coupled with accountability.
You can be responsible without having accountability. But you cannot have accountability without being responsibile.
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:15:00
To:virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Responsibility
...What? accountability is equally applied to oneself...e.g. I hold
myself accountable for my life and the events therein.(which i do). where
did you get this odd meaning of the word that you keep mentioning?
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Responsibility
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:25:56 -0400
Accountibility is something you hold others to.
People often feel they are endowed with a special right to hold others
accountable.
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Re: virus: Responsibility
« Reply #6 on: 2004-02-10 21:39:46 » |
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: mentioned it. I think that
: responsibility, as you seem to
: understand it is implicit within the
: three
: virtues, Reason, Empathy, and
: Vision. Through empathy we
I see that Jake... It's a Virian extrapolation and a useful derivative.
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