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virus: Life is not a game
« on: 2004-01-18 12:42:33 » |
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Games have rules. Without rules, there is no game. You can take a game and add rules, and it's still a game. But no matter how many rules you add, it remains a game. However, if you were to add an infinite number of rules, it would cease to be a game. Certainly, it would be unplayable.
We think there are rules in life. Science and philosophy attempt to uncoveer them. Like the law of gravity. Or that water expands when it freezes. These are some rules. We know that we don't know all the rules. Also, there may be some rules that we don't know that we don't know. Clearly, we don't know everthing we don't know. Perhaps there are some rules that are unknowable. Perhaps not. Still, since we don't yet know all the rules, we don't yet know whether life is a game.
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War has no rules. You can create rules in war. But the enemy who exists without rules has a great advantage. Since war is part of life, then life, at least not entirely, is not a game.
Love has no rules. If love is in your life, then your life is not a game. Likewise, brining love into your life allows you to exist without rules, giving you a great advantage over others who are constrained by them.
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RE: virus: Life is not a game
« Reply #3 on: 2004-02-06 21:20:05 » |
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> Love with a requirement of reprocicity is not love.
Why do you claim this?
I neither agree nor disagree with you, I just find it an odd claim to
make...
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Re: virus: Life is not a game
« Reply #4 on: 2004-02-07 15:46:54 » |
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I claim it because. We're talking about life, love and games.
Love is not a game, because when you add rules to it, it ceases to be love. Even the rule of having no rules...
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Re: virus: Life is not a game
« Reply #5 on: 2004-02-07 16:20:49 » |
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I have several love relationships that involve rules.
Love itself is not a game, but an emotion. I would
say, however, that any human relationship, can be
viewed as a game, some more helpfully than others.
--Eva
--- Erik Aronesty <erik@zoneedit.com> wrote:
> I claim it because. We're talking about life, love
> and games.
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> Love is not a game, because when you add rules to
> it, it ceases to be love. Even the rule of having
> no rules...
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Re: virus: Life is not a game
« Reply #7 on: 2004-02-08 01:42:14 » |
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romantic love sort of necessitates reciprocity...otherwise it becomes
somewhat pathological. caring love does not require it, true. but in all
our lofty goals of attempting to claim unrequited love as a noble and
tolerable thing...the vast majority of humans never succeed in even getting
close to managing such a thing, i would dare say that the vast majority
never even consider trying the thought on for size. and yet it cannot be
said that the vast majority of humanity fails to love romantically.
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To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Life is not a game
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:46:20 -0400
The relationship can ertainly involve rules. But the love isn't beholden to
them.
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Re: virus: Life is not a game
« Reply #8 on: 2004-02-08 03:11:12 » |
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If the love itself requires reprocicity, then it is false.
If someone treats you poorly, and you don't want to see them for that reason, you can still love them... even not seeing them, and even if your love is never returned.
If you have “requirements” for spending time with someone, or sleeping with them that's fine.
But if you have “requirements” for love, the love is false.
The only true love is unconditional love.
See, love is not “fair”. It's not a game.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dr Sebby" <drsebby@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 07:42:14
To:virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Life is not a game
romantic love sort of necessitates reciprocity...otherwise it becomes
somewhat pathological. caring love does not require it, true. but in all
our lofty goals of attempting to claim unrequited love as a noble and
tolerable thing...the vast majority of humans never succeed in even getting
close to managing such a thing, i would dare say that the vast majority
never even consider trying the thought on for size. and yet it cannot be
said that the vast majority of humanity fails to love romantically.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Erik Aronesty" <erik@zoneedit.com>
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To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Life is not a game
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:46:20 -0400
The relationship can ertainly involve rules. But the love isn't beholden to
them.
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Re: virus: Life is not a game
« Reply #9 on: 2004-02-08 04:34:49 » |
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...i see what you are saying, allow me to counter. since love is a rather
significant intangible...and thus very difficult to define, at some point
our various fuzzy notions of what it might be will likely differ - for no
other reason than misunderstanding.
when i examine romantic love it is a combination of things...high regard
and consideration, some admiration, and other nice stuff...but where it
differs from platonic or fraternal love is that woven into its fiber is that
mercurial animal/chemical side of things that makes our hearts thump faster,
and our reasoning abilities founder from time to time. passion...for lack
of a better term. this element changes the 'rules' in my opinion and clouds
the issue. this is why i speak of such things in ways that hint at the less
than noble. it is no wonder that romantic love is oft likened to flames -
it is its own thing and quite out of our control to some degree...this is
what makes it so special, so provacative. it has always tapped that animal
side in us that brings out powerful feelings, including some negative ones
such as jealousy, false anger, pouting, ridiculous sacrifice & risk, and
even the ugly head of possessiveness can often arise in the less mature.
...as a result, the uniqueness of romantic love dictates something quite
beyond the norm as far as 'rules' go. to love someone romantically and not
have it returned should, in a healthy specimen(IMO) generate some degree of
reciprocal rejection or avoidance until the flames of passion have subsided
to a manageable level, and the mind can see clearly again. at this point
one can rationalize things and adjust their love to a fraternal sort at
which point proximity can once again be a pleasant thing. but to continue
an unrequited love affair on one's own is quite pathological, unproductive,
painful, pointless and uncomfortable for all involved. that is my position
and philosophy on this.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Erik Aronesty" <erik@zoneedit.com>
If the love itself requires reprocicity, then it is false.
If someone treats you poorly, and you don't want to see them for that
reason, you can still love them... even not seeing them, and even if your
love is never returned.
If you have “requirements” for spending time with someone, or sleeping with
them that's fine.
But if you have “requirements” for love, the love is false.
The only true love is unconditional love.
See, love is not “fair”. It's not a game.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dr Sebby" <drsebby@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 07:42:14
To:virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Life is not a game
romantic love sort of necessitates reciprocity...otherwise it becomes
somewhat pathological. caring love does not require it, true. but in all
our lofty goals of attempting to claim unrequited love as a noble and
tolerable thing...the vast majority of humans never succeed in even getting
close to managing such a thing, i would dare say that the vast majority
never even consider trying the thought on for size. and yet it cannot be
said that the vast majority of humanity fails to love romantically.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Erik Aronesty" <erik@zoneedit.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Life is not a game
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:46:20 -0400
The relationship can ertainly involve rules. But the love isn't beholden to
them.
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Re: virus: Life is not a game
« Reply #10 on: 2004-02-08 10:10:49 » |
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When you tell someone you love them, you say it because you love them exactly as they are. If they say they never want to see you again, then reply, “That's just more of the you I love”. And if you never see them or think of them again, the love is not the lesser for it.
That's the kind of love that's pure. It is compatible with, and untaind by, sexual attraction, word-play or anything else.
100% generous love..
It's the “pay it forward” kind of love. Know that when you are being loving you are creating a world of love.
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