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Truth and Fiction
« on: 2003-11-09 12:39:53 » |
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Truth is stranger than fiction. True or false?
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Re: virus: Truth and Fiction
« Reply #3 on: 2003-11-09 19:35:28 » |
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Walter is stranger than fiction, true or false?
Seriously: proof that truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction is conconcted from the universe of stuff we know. Pehaps it's stuff that's been rearranged, but always rearranged by, merely, a human mind.
Truth, on the other hand, contains a myriad of things that we know nothing about. Things happen that no human could have possibly imagined, because the information inherent in the universe is so vast.
Strangeness is the property of being unfamiliar.
Thus truth (infinite possibilty) can always be stranger (more unfamiliar) than fiction (finite combination of the known)
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Re:Truth and Fiction
« Reply #4 on: 2003-11-10 11:55:10 » |
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Quote:| Fiction is conconcted from the universe of stuff we know. Pehaps it's stuff that's been rearranged, but always rearranged by, merely, a human mind |
The human mind is the most complicated biological structure on our planet, we still don't know that much about it.
Truth is simple, not strange, even the word strange is a concoction of the human mind.
Fiction is strange, strange is fiction, Kapisch?
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Re: virus: Truth and Fiction
« Reply #5 on: 2003-11-10 11:59:15 » |
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From: "Erik Aronesty" <erik@zoneedit.com>
> Thus truth (infinite possibilty) can always be stranger (more unfamiliar)
than fiction (finite combination of the known)
Proof of the opposite assertion:
Truth must be internally logically consistent, pretty much by definition. In
other words,
to the extent that logical inconsistenicies exist, it is not true. Fiction has
no such
constraint. If something is strange then we cannot make sense of it. We can
make sense
of truth, but not necessarily fiction. In fact, most fiction I have read is
stranger than
the non-fiction I have read, which provides some evidence for this assertion.
Maybe there
exists some fiction that is less strange than truth, but I bet it isn't very
popular.
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Re: virus: Truth and Fiction
« Reply #6 on: 2003-11-10 15:30:50 » |
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I would contend that you can always find something, in truth which doesn't fit with you existing knowledge and is thus "inconsistent" AFAYC.
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RE: virus: Truth and Fiction
« Reply #7 on: 2003-11-10 15:58:28 » |
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I would have to say that for any proof to exist of the claim that truth is
stranger than fiction, that some concrete definition of "strange" must be
established. While a couple of examples have inferred that strangeness is
equivalent to unfamiliarity, they aren't necessarily the same thing.
Nonetheless, from my own interpretation of strange- I would say that fiction
may be stranger than the truth, especially if we take some situation which
is definitively true, and put all parties involved in clown costumes. Which
may be pretty damn strange indeed, but that's just my opinion :]
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RE: virus: Truth and Fiction
« Reply #8 on: 2003-11-11 08:14:56 » |
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At 03:58 PM 10/11/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I would have to say that for any proof to exist of the claim that truth is
>stranger than fiction, that some concrete definition of "strange" must be
>established. While a couple of examples have inferred that strangeness is
>equivalent to unfamiliarity, they aren't necessarily the same thing.
I have been told that the story of scientology vs the net is too weird to
be considered as fiction.
To give you a bit of a feeling put TR booger in Google and take the first
link. There are even more disgusting things about to come out.
Keith Henson
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Re: virus: Truth and Fiction
« Reply #9 on: 2003-11-11 12:32:47 » |
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From: "Keith Henson" <hkhenson@rogers.com>
> I have been told that the story of scientology vs the net is too weird to
> be considered as fiction.
Isn't the (presumably fictional) Scientology doctrine vastly stranger
than reality? I would say that if it turned out to be all true then
that would be stranger than much fiction (but still not all fiction).
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