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virus: conflict resolution process report : incident 187A/4
« on: 2003-10-23 22:00:12 » |
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An incident between two virians happened in #virus recently. A
complaint for a personal attack was issued to Lucifer, who appointed two
virians of high equity, Kharin and rhinoceros, as members of a
"Reconciliation Committee" which was summoned to deal with the
complaint. The process was much like the one described in the
"Disciplinary Process" which is under review and tentative use (not
officially approved). The status of the committee comes mostly from the
Meridion rating system, and the commitee itself felt free to lay out
some rules along the way.
1. The committee did not find any personal attack which would deserve
administrative action.
2. A word of advice was offered to both parts to avoid getting involved
in inflammatory situations for the benefit of the community.
3. In the process, the committee decided that some administrative
actions used in the incident should not be allowed any more. In
particular:
3.a. The use of kick-banning by #virus operators will be subject to
rational justification in the future.
3.b. A #virus operator who is in a situation of conflict of interest
should not resort to kick-banning. He/she should appeal to another
operator who will take the responsibility for any action needed, if any,
always subject to justification as in (3.a.)
4. According to the above, the #virus operator status of the two virians
involved was temporarily suspended, until they acknowledge that they
accept to operate under the rules outlined in (3).
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Re: virus: conflict resolution process report : incident 187A/4
« Reply #1 on: 2003-10-25 13:14:16 » |
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Bravo.
David McFadzean <david@lucifer.com> wrote:An incident between two virians happened in #virus recently. A
complaint for a personal attack was issued to Lucifer, who appointed two
virians of high equity......
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Re: virus: conflict resolution process report : incident 187A/4
« Reply #2 on: 2003-10-25 13:41:33 » |
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Stipulated, as 3b had not previously been delineated nor at the time of incident been considered apropo in light of the explicit lack of their declaration at said time.
David McFadzean <david@lucifer.com> wrote:An incident between two virians happened in #virus recently. A
complaint for a personal attack was issued to Lucifer, who appointed two
virians of high equity, Kharin and rhinoceros, as members of a
"Reconciliation Committee" which was summoned to deal with the
complaint. The process was much like the one described in the
"Disciplinary Process" which is under review and tentative use (not
officially approved). The status of the committee comes mostly from the
Meridion rating system, and the commitee itself felt free to lay out
some rules along the way.
1. The committee did not find any personal attack which would deserve
administrative action.
2. A word of advice was offered to both parts to avoid getting involved
in inflammatory situations for the benefit of the community.
3. In the process, the committee decided that some administrative
actions used in the incident should not be allowed any more. In
particular:
3.a. The use of kick-banning by #virus operators will be subject to
rational justification in the future.
3.b. A #virus operator who is in a situation of conflict of interest
should not resort to kick-banning. He/she should appeal to another
operator who will take the responsibility for any action needed, if any,
always subject to justification as in (3.a.)
4. According to the above, the #virus operator status of the two virians
involved was temporarily suspended, until they acknowledge that they
accept to operate under the rules outlined in (3).
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Re:virus: conflict resolution process report : incident 187A/4
« Reply #3 on: 2003-10-25 14:01:48 » |
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Kharin and rhinoceros, (the) "Reconciliation Committee" did not find any personal attack which would deserve administrative action.
1. What were THEIR findings?
2. What were the specifications cited in this summary finding?
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Re:virus: conflict resolution process report : incident 187A/4
« Reply #4 on: 2003-10-25 16:54:55 » |
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[kirksteele]
Kharin and rhinoceros, (the) "Reconciliation Committee" did not find any personal attack which would deserve administrative action.
1. What were THEIR findings?
2. What were the specifications cited in this summary finding?
[rhinoceros]
1. Our findings on the complaint for a personal attack which was put before us by one of the involved parts: It was not anything extraordinary and it did not require any administrative action at all.
Our findings on the whole incident: The only reason the incident was blown out of proportion was the use of kickbanning during an argument. This is the reason we made up rule (3), although this issue was not included in the complaint.
2. We did not set rules of conduct. We used our common sense and our own understanding of an acceptable and fertile environment. For this purpose, we took into account the precedent set by this vote
http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=54;action=voteResults;idvote=24
and the following rule on which we agreed:
"The committee accepts that everyone will be free to launch personal attacks with impunity as long as they are unrecognizable as such by those who enforce the rules. How could it be otherwise?"
It could be argued that objective rules of conduct for everything should be set, or some lines drawn; anyone is welcome to draft rules for anything and propose them. Something to consider in this case, though, is what Hobbes said: "One is free when the law is silent on a subject."
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Re: virus: conflict resolution process report : incident 187A/4
« Reply #5 on: 2003-10-26 03:10:29 » |
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wtf???
is this serious? am i the only one noticing the gradual developement
of a heirarchy and judicial process? on a neo-anthropological point,
this is perhaps an interesting developemental process...but we should
probably be careful here.
what more frequently is the case than not is that civilizations and
communities- and any group/formation/congregation of people in between-
is what they do, how they act and react, when forming their forms
of government. too lax, and the community implodes with ungoverned
and rampant recklessness and irresponsibility for one's actions. but,
on the opposite side, with too harsh or severe penalties occuring too
frequently, and often times with questionsable reasons, the community
would explode in wild dissent and destructive upheavel.
usually neither extreem is taken. but, it is all in how they handle
these formations. CoV, if you wish so to refer to us as a legitimate
community, is currently in this transition (at least this seems to be
the direction of progression...) so the question is how are we going to
handle it. i forcast- don't quote me, it's just a prediction- people
making jumps and grabs for "power" and "authority" in the "society" that
we've formed. if viewed from the proper vantage (note: not 'correct',
implying a truth value, but 'proper' meaning "probably different that
your normal prespective..."), there already have been "power grabs"
attempted by various people. names, for the sake of decency, shall not
be named, and as far as any particular battle or conflict within the CoV
is concerned, i generally remain neutral.
we need to watch our step, though. unless we realize, actualize and
utilize our goals- goals i do not believe are (1) specific and tangible
enough, nor (2) shared commonly enough among virians- any attempts at
transformation into something resembling a "real" community will
probably be futile. i'm not denouncing the very very necessary diversity
that is present in our church; i'm not rallying for a uniformity of
ideology. a diverse memetic meme-pool, so to speak- is just as
desireable as a diverse gene pool. i am, however, suggesting that we
try to develope a certain level of commonality.
a level high enough the be unifying, and reasonable enough to allow
our differences to thrive.
i could be on to something...or, as many others have said...i could be
smoking crack.
either way, something to ponder.
-warmest regards, and still the master of run-on sentences like the one
you are reading right now,
athe'nonrex
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--- "David McFadzean" <david@lucifer.com> wrote:
An incident between two virians happened in #virus recently. A
complaint for a personal attack was issued to Lucifer, who appointed two
virians of high equity, Kharin and rhinoceros, as members of a
"Reconciliation Committee" which was summoned to deal with the
complaint. The process was much like the one described in the
"Disciplinary Process" which is under review and tentative use (not
officially approved). The status of the committee comes mostly from the
Meridion rating system, and the commitee itself felt free to lay out
some rules along the way.
1. The committee did not find any personal attack which would deserve
administrative action.
2. A word of advice was offered to both parts to avoid getting involved
in inflammatory situations for the benefit of the community.
3. In the process, the committee decided that some administrative
actions used in the incident should not be allowed any more. In
particular:
3.a. The use of kick-banning by #virus operators will be subject to
rational justification in the future.
3.b. A #virus operator who is in a situation of conflict of interest
should not resort to kick-banning. He/she should appeal to another
operator who will take the responsibility for any action needed, if any,
always subject to justification as in (3.a.)
4. According to the above, the #virus operator status of the two virians
involved was temporarily suspended, until they acknowledge that they
accept to operate under the rules outlined in (3).
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