From: Mermaid (hidden@lucifer.com)
Date: Wed May 19 2004 - 02:37:54 MDT
[JD]Lynndie England is in many ways exemplary. Born to extreme poverty, she
worked and planned her way out of poverty. She could have been a perfect
American Dream candidate.
[Mermaid]Huh? born to extreme poverty and 'planned' her way out of poverty? what has that got to do with ANYTHING???
[JD] Most of those soldiers are happy to be fighting for their country and they
are happy to enjoy the benefits that service brings them.
[Mermaid]We have a virian fighting for his country. Do you think he'd know better than you whether or not 'most soldiers' are HAPPY to be fighting for their countries? Mercenaries enjoy benefits. American soldiers get flag waving, non combatant citizens supporting them and pretty much..nothing else...the benefit goes to bush, cheney and cronies...you bet they are happy to enjoy the benefits of the service that soldiers bring to them by putting their ass on line for a few good men...
on a totally diff note..whats with the gas prices in UK? Blair dragged you guys to the war and no benefit...
Have you ever donned a military uniform? You seem so well informed...:)
[JD]I also think that military service is an excellent absorber of the
economically adrift sections of society.
[Mermaid]Basically, you are saying that its a great idea to send the poor of a country to fight in wars to bring in riches for the already rich of the country?
[Jonathan Davis 1]
Need she be imprisoned and heavily punished? I do not think that would be
just. Catch the people who might have murdered prisoners. Catch the people
who might have tortured them.
[Mermaid]Is this the same guy who mentioned in his journal that rowdy teenage, south london school girls who traveled ticketless(and were threatened by policeman who wielded batons at them) should be caught and punished severely??? I am speechless!
[Jonathan Davis 1]
I think we ought to stop the hypocritical finger pointing at these
miscreants and face up the messy task of fighting enemies that not only do
not share our values or restraint but actively use them against us.
[Mermaid]Why? How did Iraq use anything against Britain or America? What is wrong with not sharing American values and Blair's puppylove for Dubya?
[Jonathan 2] In the case of Islamists, it is they who have selected us -
you and I - as the enemy. You can consider them to be whatever you chose.
This is the problem with aggression. You do not get to chose to fight or
not. You fight or die.
[Mermaid]Just for a minute, even if you are right..(which you arent)...picking a fight and declaring that its a 'fight or die' sceanario...where does humiliation, torture and abuse enter the picture? killing your enemy is survival...torturing them and especially in the most obscene manner to drain every bit of human dignity from them...to make them 'non people' is....what?? ..what would you call that...the nazis did that to another semitic people some years ago...remember that?
[JD]... or protesting about the abuse of Iraqi prisoners whilst supporting the murderers of Nick Berg and other civilians.
[Mermaid]As we have seen in another thread, this is highly debatable..
[Jonathan Davis 1]An enemy whose Commander in Chief personally apologises for the wrongdoings of a tiny number of renegade soldiers sets the upper standard.
[Mermaid]Bush didnt apologise. Can you give me a quote or transcript of this alleged apology?
[Jonathan 2] Yes, I meant what I wrote at several levels. What I said was
"Lynndie England is in many ways exemplary". What that meant was that she
was "born to extreme poverty, she worked and planned her way out of [that]
poverty.
[Mermaid]At the risk of repeating myself..but for clarification purposes..what has that got to do with ANYTHING?
[Jonathan 2] The enemy in Iraq is mostly comprised of Syrian and Iranian
agitators, Al Qaeda operatives, Baathist remnants, Tribal Mafia, Shiite
power grabbers and a smattering of psychopathic Islamists drawn to a fight.
[Mermaid]You must be well connected to have all these 'facts' at your fingertips.
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