From: Dr Sebby (drsebby@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jan 23 2004 - 12:55:09 MST
....Let me nip this in the bud. it's almost funny that everyone jumps to
the cliche conclusion of the "passive and weak asian woman, submissive,
quiet and cooperative". It's what i am accustomed to hearing from american
women if i'm ever foolish enough to bring this subject up. but this is NOT
what i was suggesting...in fact i cant stand women like that, to the point
of being difficult to imagine even dating an asian gal anywhere since they
almost always seem to be touched in some small way with these traits.
please read my post accurately before suggesting such things.
....my favorite girlfriend was a french lawyer who was truly as empowered as
they come - i'm trying to reintroduce my original point here; any
"empowerment" american women have is not the problem, it's that all the
typical benefits of such empowerment are useless when hitched with qualities
of unaccountability, selfishness, self-righteousness, whininess, disloyalty
and the severly annoying and useless "princess complex". in fact i dont
find american women very empowered at all compared to europeans...or well
heeled brazilians(my initial point(note the lack of mention of the asian
cliche woman(as was also lacking in my original post))).
....there are very few katherine hepburns left in this country. maybe it's
the media's fault, dunno. but I like to have a true and equitable partner
in a woman, not someone aloof, whiny, and constantly demanding that everyone
pretend she's some fallen princess angel and that i should count my lucky
stars to be able to accomodate her every whim (or else).
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Michelle Anderson" <michelle@barrymenasherealtors.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: RE: virus: sebby's g/f betrays him!!!
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:30:09 -0800
[Eric] There's a memetic advantage to having an empowered woman:
Empowered kids.
[Michelle] That's right, and also I know several American men who have
no respect for other American men who look to "foreign" women
exclusively: they feel they must be too weak to handle an empowered
woman. It's the "easy route". I know that my own social bias is that
if I see an American man with, say, an Asian woman, I assume that he
must be a loser who can't take care of himself, given the often-correct
reputation that Asian women are more submissive and coddling. I
personally would never waste my considerable gifts on a man who couldn't
stand up and hold his own. And I've been happily living for the past
five years with an American man who would sooner die alone than be
perceived (and perceive himself) as one who could only couple with a
weak-willed coddler.
It's also interesting to note that many black Americans complain of
black men seeking white women for the same reason - that they/we demand
less and aren't as vocal or sassy as black women.
Then again, we all know that women in other cultures must be just as
strong to handle the social treatment inherent in their part of the
world. I think the issue is sneakyness (tongue in cheek on that term -
perhaps subtlety is more diplomatic). A woman who's used to being
second-guessed and criticized will simply assert her will in subliminal
ways. Y'all men have no idea how much influence your partner can have
over you without your noticing. That's in addition to the stuff you DO
notice. Mwoohaahahahahahaaaa.
:)
Michelle
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