From: Dr Sebby (drsebby@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 19 2004 - 22:31:57 MST
...if you think about it, a large portion of "middle men" are extremely 
uneccessary.  instead of middle men that perform some crucial mediary or 
non-partisan task, i would wager that many merely create a spot for 
themselves with fair dealings, and then manipulate things so as to make 
their job little more than a neccessary evil.   i pay 5$/lb for my 
coffee(kenyan) at trader joe's and i would be willing to bet that that is 
enough to cover the growers costs & profits, import taxes(low for coffee), 
and trader joe's profit mark-up.  so if what you are saying is true, then 
there is likely some middle-man doing nothing for his money other than 
threatening (e.g."i have exclusive rights with trader joe's as a buyer, so 
if you want to sell your coffee there, you have to deal with me, and i want 
"x" price or fuck off.")
that is a case of curable un-fair market practise.  excise the middle man 
and make their specific shady activities illegal.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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From: "David Lucifer" <david@lucifer.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re:virus: Fair trade?
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:51:03 -0700
Here's the kind of fair trade I was asking about (from 
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/fairtrade/coffee/)
Coffee is the second largest US import after oil, and the US consumes 
one-fifth of all the world's coffee, making it the largest consumer in the 
world. But few Americans realize that agriculture workers in the coffee 
industry often toil in what can be described as "sweatshops in the fields." 
Many small coffee farmers receive prices for their coffee that are less than 
the costs of production, forcing them into a cycle of poverty and debt.
Fair Trade is a viable solution to this crisis, assuring consumers that the 
coffee we drink was purchased under fair conditions. To become Fair Trade 
certified, an importer must meet stringent international criteria; paying a 
minimum price per pound of $1.26, providing much needed credit to farmers, 
and providing technical assistance such as help transitioning to organic 
farming. Fair Trade for coffee farmers means community development, health, 
education, and environmental stewardship
My question is why on earth would the coffee farmers sell for less than the 
costs of production over an extended period? Where does the minimum price of 
$1.26/lb come from? Who decides what is a "fair" price?
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