From: Keith Henson (hkhenson@rogers.com)
Date: Sat Oct 04 2003 - 22:28:58 MDT
At 08:25 PM 03/10/03 -0600, you wrote:
>[henson][...]Those who gravitate to "places" like CoV tend to be people
>who can't find a lot of local social support.
>
>[Mermaid]The simple version of it being that the CoV can give me social
>support...:) gotcha.
>
>[henson]Part of the reason the murder rate in Western culture is so low
>compared to life in tribes is that we can expel disruptive people from
>social groups.
>
>[Mermaid]I am not sure I agree with that. Can you back that up?
Put "primitive tribe murder rate" in Google and read a few articles. The
high murder rate for primitives was an unpleasant surprise for a lot of
people when studies showed this to be the case.
>I am also not so sure that tribes are less effective in expelling
>disruptive people from social groups. The law and the legal system, the
>western version of the tribal council, has loopholes like a slice of swiss
>cheese. I'd argue that its exactly the opposite of what you are suggesting.
The tribe *is* the social group. Being expelled is an effective death
sentence in really primitive situations, i.e., if the tribe expelling a
person doesn't kill the person, some tribal enemy usually does. I wasn't
even thinking of the legal system in Western culture, it suffices that a
person can be expelled from a community (for example a town) and *not* be
killed as an outlaw. This system was still in effect, though perhaps
starting to fade, at during the time Greece was the cultural center what
became the western world.
snip
Keith Henson
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