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From: "Hermit" <hidden@lucifer.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:48 PM
Subject: Re:virus: Observer on Palestinian vigilantes
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> [Jonathan Davis] There is and never has been a genocide in Israel. As
Pascal Bruckner points out in 'The Temptation of Innocence' when he
describes French farmers with banners reading "Stop the Genocide" protesting
over fish prices , that "survivors of The Holocaust or of Rwanda will
appreciate the extensive use
> of the word."
>
> [Jonathan Davis] Time to tone down the rhetoric maybe?
>
> Genocide: The definitional article included in the 1948 convention
stipulates in Article II (http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/gendef.htm)
> In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts
committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical,
racial or religious group, as such:
SNIP
> [hr]
> Having established what Genocide is, let us examine the groups involved
and actions taken against them.
>
> The Palestinians of the occupied territories are identifiable as an
ethical or religious group. Thus they are protected by these statues.
So are the Israelis.
>
> Since 1948, members of the group have been killed.
Palestinians have killed their own. Israelis have also been killed by this
group.
>Widespread torture has been reported.
Inflicted by the Palestinians on their own people. Israelis have also been
tortured by this group.
>They have no security or recourse which causes mental harm.
Incorrect. They have security forces and armed militia waging war in their
name.
>The Israeli government has deliberately acted to deprive the group of
resources needed for the group's physical survival through prolonged curfews
with severe >restrictions on the movement of people and access for medical
personnel;
Incorrect. The Israelis have sealed their own borders as a defensive measure
against repeated suicide bombings. Keeping this expected result in mind we
can see Palestinian terrorist inflicted these hardship on themselves as
surely as a flood resulting from blowing up a dam is the fault of those who
blow up the dam.
> intense collective punishments;
Untrue.
> wanton damage to homes, cars and civilian property;
Again false.
>looting and theft in the course of searches;
Alleged.
>and the coerced use of civilians to assist military operations.
LOL! Are you talking about the Palestinians now?
>Such actions violate international standards and transcend any
justification of military necessity.
They do not violate international standards (show me the International
Standards for dealing with a sustained suicide terror campaign). Every
action is entirely justified by military necessity and self-defense. Any
genuine transgressions are punished by the Israeli courts.
>Palestinians do not have access to clean water.
Yes they do.
>Large numbers of Palestinians have been deprived of housing.
This is the fault of the PA and exploding population levels. Is the shortage
of housing in Soweto a genocidal plot by the ANC?
>Foodstuffs have been blockaded.
Only ever during short military incursions directly resulting from mass
murder of Israelis by terrorists.
>Many are detained without trial in camps.
This is false. Any detainees are sub judice and being processed by the
Israeli courts.
>Large numbers have been forcibly relocated.
This is debatable.
> Thus crimes have been committed against the Palestinians,
Some crimes have been committed against the Palestinians by their own people
and the Israelis. The Israelis have in their turn have suffered terrible
crimes at the hands of the Palestinians. There is no evidence that the
Israelis have even committed any crimes with the "with intent to destroy"
the Palestinians. One the other hand we have abundant evidence from a
multiplicity of sources that there is a general will in the Muslim world to
utterly destroy Israel and the Israelis. There have been several wars
attempting to do just that. Right now there is a campaign by Palestinian
terrorists as part of a concerted attempt to destroy Israel. Hamas has a
charter which declares that the utter destruction of Israel and the Jews is
their ultimate sacred aim.
Palestinians dance in the street every time they strike another blow for
their larger cause.
No genocide. No war crimes. No case, just virulent anti-Israeli...hate?
Regards
Jonathan
SNIP
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