On 10 Aug 2002 at 14:02, Jonathan Davis wrote:
> Dear Combatants,
>
> Regardless of exact figures of how many Palestinians have been
> butchered by their own people, some things have been firmly
> established by this thread:
>
> The Palestinians and the Israelis are not even approaching equal to
> each other in any moral or civilizational sense. On the one hand you
> have a prosperous multicultural democracy threatened by annihilation
> and trying to deal with an unprecedented murders assault on its
> existence. On the other a barbaric quasi-medieval fiefdom/dictatorship
> that is an operational base for some of the most ruthless terrorists
> in the world. Those terrorists are harboured and feted by the
> population of that benighted statelet who celebrate jubilantly
> whenever the terrorist - acting in their name - kill Israelis, any
> Israelis. .
>
> Show me the pictures of Israeli dancing in the streets when the IDF
> has ever made a mistake that cost innocent lives? Show me the images
> of Israeli collaborators hanging from streetlights. Show me the
> carnage after an Israeli suicide bomber has blown up civilian
> Palestinians.
>
> Come on.
>
> There has been a desperate and wholly unsuccessful attempt to
> characterize these two sides as somehow equivalent. One is a beacon of
> civilization and rational restraint, the other is one of the worst
> examples of the excess of Islamist fanaticism and the utter
> primitiveness of much of the Islamic world.
>
> Trying to distill the truth from war propaganda whilst the war is
> still raging is futile. Throwing sources of misinformation and
> exaggeration at one another yeilds nothing but confusion and worsening
> tempers.
>
> Just look at the facts.
>
> Israel occupies territories captured in war. A defensive war that came
> about from the last major effort by its neighbors to annihilate it.
> Within those territories and within its national borders there exist
> some of the people know as Palestinians. There are Palestinian
> communities in every single one of Israel's neighbors and have been
> for centuries. The only place in the whole of former Trans-Jordan
> where there is an ethnic nationalist movement demanding territory for
> Palestinians is within Israel. Israel is detested by Islamists and
> generally hated throughout the Muslim world as it is situated in the
> Holy Land and is symbol of Islamist expansion checked and defeated.
> The destruction of the state of Israel would be welcomed by virtually
> every Arab and Muslim in the world. It is the expressed and clearly
> stated intention of slew of terrorist organisations that this is also
> their intention. The Palestinian Authority - established in the Oslo
> accord - far from being the building block from which statehood would
> be built, has become a base of operations for these terrorists and all
> allied Israel Annihilator organisations. Part of their strategy is to
> excuse the murder of Israelis by claiming they are fighting for a
> Palestinian state. The problem is that this is not all they are
> fighting for. They are fighting for a Plalestinian state which will
> come about after the destruction of Israel and the reduction to
> Dhimmitude or annihilation of the Israeli Jews. The issues of
> Palestinian statehood (which was maturing well by diplomacy and
> international accord) and the assault on Israel by those intent on its
> destruction are actually separate issues. It was the Palestinians who
> abandoned Oslo and restarted the Intefadah. It was the Palestinian who
> have systematically violated the agreements of Oslo - principally the
> issue of terrorist operation from within the PA's territory. The
> situation is simple: Whilst Israeli remains under attack the issue of
> Palestinian state will not be resolved. Simply because the PA still is
> the base for terror. No terror and the diplomatic solution - so
> favoured by many here, yet who forget it was the Palestinians who
> rejected it - can be restarted.
>
> What I find odd is that people in this forum have tried to accuse
> Israel of war crimes (shown to be without substance) and variously
> accused the Israeli of barbarism, brutality and flouting the
> conventions of civilized behaviour but seldom if ever concede that the
> bulk of truly murderous and illegal activity is being meted out by the
> Plaestinians. The excuse of course is that the Palestinians are not a
> state, Israel is. This implies that the Israeli are rstrained by
> conventions that the Palestinians are exempted by virtues of being
> stateless.
>
> Of course this is bunk.
>
> What this ignores is that one set of people has chosen to govern
> itself by democratic means and establish a state to administer its
> collective affairs whilst the other group incapable or unwilling to
> organise itself into a governable entity has of course agreed to
> nothing that restrains its activities.
>
> We now see the incredible situation where the combatant who has agreed
> to a convention is attacked by a combatant who has not and gets
> castigated for defending itself against this aggressor by the only
> means available to stop the attack.
>
> How can this be right? The civilised person agrees to restraint is
> then attacked by an uncivilised person who has not - in the ensuing
> unseemly uncivilized and brutal fight it is forgotten that it was Mr
> Civilised who was attacked by Mr Savage and instead we have people
> screech "MrCivilised should know better! Mr Civilised to agreed not to
> fight like this!"
>
> There are some who appear to think there is a known standard by which
> nations are supposed to deal with weekly mass killings of its citizens
> by way of suicide bombs. I can tell you that the civilised standard is
> being set by Israel which is a odel of restraint. What we are
> witnessing in Israeli is how a decent democratic and civilised nation
> state reacts to a murderous assault by a ruthless and primitive enemy.
>
> When it comes to the Palestinian terrorists, their active supporters
> and all of their related Islamist brethren, I have one mantra of
> advice for those able to fight them and it come via Mr Kurtz:
> Exterminate all the brutes.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
Although a bit more forceful and general than I have had occasion to
express, this post deserves, for its pithy, no-nonsense, cut-to-the-chase
pragmatic analysis of the underlying circumstances and realities of the
travestous Middle Eastern situation and the steps necessary in the face
of them, inclusion in the Politics section, and quite maybe in the Best of
Virus.
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