[Joe Dees 1] Of course, you know that is not what I said. I said that the Palestinians, as a group, have done so, and to the tune of half their total intifadeh deaths. This does not mean that every crone and infant has hung, shot or stoned a collaborator; just that many Palestinians have, and the practice is widely accepted within the Palestinian community.
[Hermit 2] No Joe. This is what you said, attempting to defend genocide.But the Palestinians kill suspected collaborators all the time.
[Hermit 2] Having shown your previous assertion fallacious, please provide whatever evidence you think you have, showing that collaboraters are killed due to a group decision. Bear in mind that until they are replaced by more fanatical groups, that the Palestinians are represented by the PLA and Mr Arafat - elected by a 60% plebiscite - making him a lot more legitimate than Mr Bush will ever be. Further please provide evidence that this accounts for "half their total intifadeh deaths" or is that another of your "opinions"?
[Joe Dees 3] I never attempted to defend, nor would I ever attempt to defend, genocide.
[Hermit 4] In my opinion, when you equate genocide with murder, and argue that the victims of genocide are not "innocent", then you are attempting to defending genocide. If this was not what you meant to do, why did you respond by pointing to the victims and pointing out their many deficiencies?
[Joe Dees 3] You cannot successfully challenge what I do in fact say,
[Hermit 4] I can, do, and have. You originally said, "But the Palestinians kill suspected collaborators all the time." After being challenged and much to and froing, you claimed, "Of course, you know that is not what I said. I said that the Palestinians, as a group, have done so, and to the tune of half their total intifadeh deaths." I observed that this is different and that you had not supported your original assertion.
[Joe Dees 3] so you cynically attempt to twist and misquote me so that you can skewer a straw man that you, not I, built. Quite simply, I am here to tell you that you can't get away with that with me.
[Hermit 4] How are you being "misquoted" or having your words "twisted?"
[Hermit 2] Having shown your previous assertion fallacious, please provide whatever evidence you think you have, showing that collaboraters are killed due to a group decision. Bear in mind that until they are replaced by more fanatical groups, that the Palestinians are represented by the PLA and Mr Arafat - elected by a 60% plebiscite - making him a lot more legitimate than Mr Bush will ever be. Further please provide evidence that this accounts for "half their total intifadeh deaths" or is that another of your "opinions"?
[Joe Dees 3] That is the figure generally given by disintersted observers all over Google.
[Hermit 4] Ad populam?
[Hermit 4] What was your search term? How did you determine that these "observers" actually saw what was happening? How did you determine that these "observers" actually are "disintersted"?
[Hermit 4] How do you explain the fact that your assertion is at odds with figures released by:[*]http://electronicintifada.net/new.html
[*]http://www.palestinercs.org/[*]http://www.israel.org/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0ia50[*]http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/intifada_fact_sheet_cover.htmWhich appear to provide the most complete and detailed reporting?
[Joe Dees 3] The PLA has indeed tried suspected collaborators and sentenced them to death and swiftly carried out the sentences; the various terror groups, such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad, tend to skip the trial and get right down to the execution.
[Hermit 4] What were the charges? What laws were applied? Were they executed just for being collaboraters? If so, how is this different from e.g. the execution of vichy French who collaborated with the German army of occupation after WWII?
[Joe Dees 3] There are many 'groups' there rather than one, and 'groups within groups', just as there are circuits within districts in a court system, and various and sundry of these groups have decided, apparently around 600 times, to kill suspected collaborators.
[Hermit 4] How is this different from anywhere else? Do all these groups represent all the Palestinians? Does http://www.christiangallery.com represent you? You are both in the US? If not, how does this (further, unfounded) assertion support your position?
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