On 1 Aug 2002 at 6:18, rhinoceros wrote:
>
> [kharin]
> You have written in the past that the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in a
number of states was a blowback resulting from the policy pursued
against
the Soviets; can you be certain that the same will not happen through
the
current actions?
>
> [Joe Dees]
> It's going to happen anyway. The very rejection of the supremacy of
Islam and the Shar'ia as a model for constitutional governance is itself a
causus belli in the eyes of the rabid Dar Al Islami Ummah.
>
> [rhinoceros]
> What is that which is going to happen anyway, and why? Aren't Islamists
and Islamic states subject to human nature and its social aspects? Just
look at Iran. They oppress and abuse their people, but they are seeking
international relations with the "infidels" for economical reasons. And
this
is happening not in the face of just "not accepting the supremacy of
Islam",
but in the face of active rejection, aggresive isolation, pressure for
social
change, even war against other muslim states. Can you really explain
Iran's international policy through the Koran. What about Saudi Arabia?
>
Iran's Mullahs have allowed al Quaeda to escape through their common
morder with Afghanistan, actively support Gulbuddin Hekmatyr, who is
instigating anti-government terror in Afghanistan, and have harbored
the most-wanted terrorist Imad Fayez Mugniyah the planner of the
bombing, in Lebanon, of the Marine barracks and our embassy, and the
hijacking of an aircraft and an exection of an American passenger
abourd, Navy diver Robert Stetham, and the source of the 83 tubes of
weapons, totaling 50 tons, that were being smuggled to the palestinian
PLA but were intercepted by Israel. While it is true that their president
and many youth, who I believe have rejected the rabid versions of
radical Islam but dare not say so publicly, press for reform, they are
overruled by the mullahs, who control the courts and can (and do)
imprison and kill the louder objectors with total impunity.
Saudi Arabia need us to buy their oil and to keep Iraq from invading
them, but at the same time their royal family and citizens send many
millions to Al Quaeda and to support the brainwashing Pakistani
madrasas. They actively export one of the most vile and vicious forms
of radical Islam, Wahhabism (Al Quaeda is mostly Wahhabist, as is Bin
Laden himself), which is also the brand of Islam allied with the House of
Saud.
>
> I find your belief attributing a top significance to the Koran unfounded.
Did the crusades really happen because of the the Bible?
>
Clearly you have not done your homework. And yes, if neither the Bible
nor the Koran ever existed (nor the Zend Avesta of Zarathustra) in the
absence of an absolutist patriarchal monotheistic book with which to
replace them, history might have been much safer and saner.
>
> [Joe Dees]
> In this case, just as with the Soviet case, the US sees itself threatened
globally, and for good reason. The only law that the adversaries
recognize is Shar'ia.
>
> [rhinoceros]
> Deliberate intervention based on strategic-economic interests has also
some Sharia-like characteristics (pressure towards a worldview).
>
People can believe what they wish as long as they don't kill people who
believe differently for the reason that they believe differently, and so
long as they allow free trade and commerce between consenting
parties.
>
> What is really happening is feeding pan-arabic nationalism through
interventions dictated by the interests of the USA (consider Saudi
Arabia
vs Iraq). It seems reasonable to assume that the USA thinktanks know
that very well, but those interests are considered too important.
>
The rabid dar-Al Islami Ummah will use any excuse, or none, to feed
their 'pan-arabic nationalism' .
>
> Another interesting issue would be what the politically correct term
"interests of the USA" means in practice, and what are its implications
for
the ordinary citizen of the USA. By not questioning such issues, one
would
be satisfied to use the word *we* and engage happily in planning the
next
strategically crucial operation on a map on his desk.
>
Right now it means stopping Al Quaeda operatives wherever they may
be or go and regardless of who supports or shelters them (and to
pursue the supporters and shelterers, too) in order to prevent future
terrorist attacks upon our citizens at home and abroad, and preventing
such forces from stifling and holding hostage international commerce;
these objectives accrue not just to the benefit of the US, but also to the
benefit of the world community as a whole.
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