On 30 Jul 2002 at 13:15, Ben wrote:
> [Nurgle]
>  "Afghanistan, where the US have wrestled a country from a
> funamentalist theocracy, which they helped install by supplying arms
> and
> training because the alternative would have been a communist
> government, and we can't let baby eaters run even more country, can
> we?"
> 
> [Joe]
> There is no argument that we shouldn't have cut and run after the
> USSR was expelled, Vietnam-style, from Afghanistan, leaving it to the
> tender mercies of terrorists and fundamentalists supported by the
> Pakistani ISI  and madrasas and Saudi money.
> 
> [ben]
> Huh? So, setting up terrorists and criminal organizations in other countries
> is Ok as long as we dismantle them after they no longer server questionable
> American interests? Sounds like you're just trying to shift blame to other
> countries no more opportunistic than your own.
> 
We made a cost-benefit analysis that inflicting a Vietnam-style defeat 
upon the Soviet Union was worth supporting Islamic fundamentalists in the 
region (we saw no way to facilitate this defeat without such support); even 
though this defeat was partially responsible for the disillusion, dissolution 
and breakup of the USSR and their subsequent embrace of democracy, 
we are presently dealing with the Islamic fundamentalist blowback from 
that decision.  We should have done then (when the Soviets left) what we 
are doing now; encouraging a moderate and participatory democracy 
there, while attempting to attenuate some of the more rabid strains of 
islamic fundamentalism that we had previously encouraged as a means to 
that end.
I do not see another country where we are pursuing the same type of 
policy; in fact, in the Phillipines, we are engaged in strengthening their 
government's control over areas that have been threatened by an Al 
Quaeda-linked Islamic terrorist insurgency that had partially morphed into 
a kidnap-for-money enterprise.
>
> -ben
> 
> 
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