On 30 Jul 2002 at 13:09, Hermit wrote:
>
> [Joe Dees]
> I was simply attempting to return this list to one of its primary functions: the analysis/categorization of various belieph systems. This of course requires the membership to be able to view the foundational documents of these systems. Of particular interest seems to be the cutting edge
magickal discipline extant, the Chaos Magickal system, since they seem to view the provisional adoption of belief as a tool by means of which to, by the technique of imprinting, accomplish preselected purposes consonant with the selected belief in question, to be discarded one the purpose is
attempted or achieved, much as has been advocated by published authors in the field of memetics (cf. Richard Brodie's level 3). If instead, this list, under the influence of certain infected and vociferous posters, has itself been captivated in a memetic thrall and as a result has morphed into a
dogmatic antigovernment screed list regarding any and all current and recent events, of course, this (and an!
> y other memetically inspired endeavors) are of course futile and destined to ignominious failure. If such is indeed the case, please advise.
> [hr]
> [Hermit]
> 1) You didn't mention this before. Was there a reason for not mentioning
it perhaps? Certainly I had disposed of the copies that arrived from the
mail list as they arrived. I strongly suspect I was not alone in this.
>
I assumed (apparently erroneously) that everyone would understand
same.
>
> 2) Was there a reason for not simply making a single post containing the
URLs, rather than posting reams of badly formatted text, without
reference
to the sources?
>
Yes, to make the texts a part of Virus archives.
>
> 3) When did you determine that the "analysis/categorization of various
belieph systems" was a primary function of the CoV? I notice that our
primary functions are described at http://virus.lucifer.com/about.html in
the
following fashion:
> Virus is ...
> [*] a forum for rational discourse
> [*] a memetically engineered atheistic religion
> [*] a synthesis of religion and evolution
> [*] the best possible conceptual framework for living and thinking
> [*] a neo-cybernetic philosophy for the 21st century
> [*] Darwin's dangerous idea out of control
> [*] an extended phenotype of the Virion Council
>
To memetically engineer a religion (purpose 2) requires us to research
others and borrow what works to augment our original innovations, so
we will not have to reinvent every wheel. It especially seems
appropriate to research religions that themselves do the same, such as
eclectic wicca and chaos magick (the only difference I see between the
two, since they are both carnivorously appropriative, is that wicca
imports what it appropriates into a vague broad perspective typified by
environmental and egalitarian concerns, whereas chaos magick
appropriates any system that seems consonany with the purpose at
hand, then abandons it when the purpose has been attempted or
achieved, and reassumes its metaposition, in which belief (or
provisional suspension of disbelief) is a tool to be pragmatically
employed.
>
> 4) While I have seen a veritable barrage of cut and pasted articles,
principally since 911 (largely from you), decrying Islam, I have not seen
anything which I would have identified as "analysis/categorization."
Neither do I recall you mentioning this before in all the years that either
of us has been on the list. If this is "a primary function" why hasn't
anybody
noticed how poorly we are doing at it?
>
I have indeed pointed out that Islam is religious fascism, and the most
violent and virulent variant of patriarchal monotheism currently extant.
Many of those articles support this analysis. You yourself have made
similar claims concerning Christianity. I am noticing that we are doing a
poor job of collating and preserving our conclusions. We should do
better; both faiths contain elements we might want to modify and
appropriate, but most of both seem to be comprised of object lessons
on what we do NOT want to do, to be studied so we can extract
correlative opposites.
>
> 5) I would suggest that in the same way as Christian Apologetics are not
welcomed on the mail list, so too, apologetics for other religions are not
welcomed. Particularly when they appear not to have been written for
the
CoV but simply comprise a large number of articles, at least some of
which have been identified (by other members) not just as misleading,
but even "Bullshit."
>
That is because list members are generally well-versed in Christianity,
but not so well versed in chaos magick or eclectic wicca, and need to
be exposed to their texts in order to be able to critique them from a
position of knowledge. If they are indeed bullshit (and parts of every
faith are), we need to clearly state why, and how we can avoid making
the same mistakes in our engineering of a virion faith.
>
> 6) Meanwhile, we do have a BBS, http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs , carefully
categorized to permit the congregation and visitors to read articles they
may be interested in, and where you are able to make such posts, in
the
same way as anyone else on the list, but where it will not flood the
mailboxes of those who have no interest in such matters.
>
There are members that have no interest in any matter discussed here.
However, now that members are aware that these articles were posted
pursuant to work on a primary stated function of the list, they might
indeed show more interest.
>
> 7) Those interested may still view the documents in question on-line
via the BBS. I look forward to seeing you reference the documents in
your analysis. Having seen the material you intend to reference, when
do
we anticipate seeing your article on the list?
>
I am hoping that this will be a collaborative list endeavor.
>
> 8) You seem to have left a lot of threads hanging elsewhere. Do you
intend to reply to any of the questions posed or points made, or have
you
been persuaded that your previous positions were indeed unreasonable
or indefensible? Certainly, until you reply, it might seem rather silly of
you
to continue making posts on these issues - at least, I recall you
suggesting
that this was the case for others.
>
For the same reason that you did not reply to the pomo posts; there are
memetically biased members here who have, and will, flog the
antiamerican dead horse until the cows come home and lay down and
die. It serves no purpose whatsoever and does not further any stated
memetically-related aim of the list, so far as I can see, to have people
warring about their various cherished memes rather than doing
memetics itself.
>
> Regards
>
> Hermit
>
>
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