...that is a poor use of the word empathize. he would forcibly comiserate
with her but that's about it. there is a very good chance that he feels bad
about it presently...or even at the time, but his selfish drives, no matter
how superficial are greater than his ability to empathize. this sort of
condition is an impossible one to maintain within a community. if stranded
on a desert island with a person of this sort the best thing to do would be
to simply kill him the very first chance you got, since eventually he might
have the impulse to do the same - and he'll probably follow it.
...on a side note however, i dont think being raped in a federal or state
prison is something we should laugh or joke about. tell me, should the
punishment for having 5grams of cocaine on you be a few years in prison AND
forced anal rape over that same period with absolutely no protection from
diseases etc.? you think that's funny? why do people condemn rapists like
they were the devil himself, but some guy might be in the wrong place at the
wrong time, or does something pretty bad but totally non-violent(steals a
car?) -- and everyone is cheering for rape!?? please explain this to me.
drsebby.
----Original Message Follows----
From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re:virus: Postmodernism
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:56:59 -0500
On 25 Jul 2002 at 11:01, Walpurgis wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2002 at 3:56, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>
> > I do not wish to debate whether or not the rape and murder of a five-
> > year old is wrong; I wish to incarcerate the perpetrator, and I worry
> > about those who consider it a debatable issue.
>
> Excellent use of emotive argument - you rationalists can do it after
> all!
>
> The relativity of this argument is not necessarily found in the crime,
> but the punishment.
>
> I would agree such an act is wrong. I would disagree that the
> offender needs incarceration. Rather, I would argue the criminal
> needs a different kind of justice - a kind that would facilitate a wider
> and the deep sense of empathy and respect in the criminal, which
> would result in the end of such behaviours.
>
In prison, the perpetrator would most likely become a serial/multiple
rape victim (inmates love to rape child molestors), and would then be
able to more clearly empathize with such a position in both a wider and
deeper context.
>
> Personally, I do not support either strand of the relativism vs
> absolutism debate - neither seem directly relevant to the everyday
> dilemmas and decisions-makings one must face. Negotiation with
> other moral agents is more likely to involve different issues that this
> rarified concern. (And intuitively, I sense a false dichotomy between
> the two positions as informed by our ancient Western dualistic
> ontologies.)
>
In which case you agree that not only every thing, but also everything,
cannot be (equally) relative; absolute relativism simply lacks identifiable
referents.
>
> Walpurgis
>
>
>
>
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>
> http://www.noumenal.net/exiles
>
> Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, the government police
> and other authorities can, with out a court order, demand that phone
> companies, internet service providers and postal operators hand over
> detailed information on individuals such as their name and address, phone
> calls made and received, source and destination of emails, the identity
of
> websites visited and mobile phone location data, which is capable of
> revealing the user's whereabouts at any given time and is accurate to
> within a few hundred metres.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/humanrights/story/0,7369,731074,00.html
>
> http://www.faxyourMP.com
>
>
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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