On 25 Jul 2002 at 11:01, Walpurgis wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2002 at 3:56, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> 
> 
> > I do not wish to debate whether or not the rape and murder of a five-
> > year old is wrong; I wish to incarcerate the perpetrator, and I worry
> > about those who consider it a debatable issue.
> 
> Excellent use of emotive argument - you rationalists can do it after 
> all!
> 
> The relativity of this argument is not necessarily found in the crime, 
> but the punishment.
> 
> I would agree such an act is wrong. I would disagree that the 
> offender needs incarceration. Rather, I would argue the criminal 
> needs a different kind of justice - a kind that would facilitate a wider 
> and the deep sense of empathy and respect in the criminal, which 
> would result in the end of such behaviours.
>
In prison, the perpetrator would most likely become a serial/multiple 
rape victim (inmates love to rape child molestors), and would then be 
able to more clearly empathize with such a position in both a wider and 
deeper context.
>
> Personally, I do not support either strand of the relativism vs 
> absolutism debate - neither seem directly relevant to the everyday 
> dilemmas and decisions-makings one must face. Negotiation with 
> other moral agents is more likely to involve different issues that this 
> rarified concern. (And intuitively, I sense a false dichotomy between 
> the two positions as informed by our ancient Western dualistic 
> ontologies.)
> 
In  which case you agree that not only every thing, but also everything, 
cannot be (equally) relative; absolute relativism simply lacks identifiable 
referents.
>
> Walpurgis
> 
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