TheHermit (founder of #godless on DAL.net)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
> Of Bill Roh
> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 1998 12:13 AM
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: The dangers of Ignorance (was: The dangers of God)
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> Tim Rhodes wrote:
>
> > Sodom, shottin' from the hip, sez:
> >
> > >I think this strw man is a bit tougher than yours, you neglect also
> > >so mention that the disease spread largly due to the practices of the
> > >Europeans and others in the areas (Most of whom where Christian)
> > >in the first place. China and India do not record disease of
> that nature -
> > >neither does America,
> >
> > The Black Plague began in China (it was on the list) and spread through
> > India. Famine followed by disease brought down the Mayan civilization.
> > You're simply incorrect.
>
> I stand corrected on the Black plague starting in China - Not
> interested in
> Famine, I t was somewhat common regardless. Disease is my main concern
>
>
> >
> >
> > BTW, what "practices" of the mostly-anything Euopeans are you trying to
> > allude to?
> >
> > >but the spread of
> > >disease can be directly traced to the conquest and spread of
> Catholocism.
> >
> > This one is complete bulshit, my friend. The spread of disease can,
> > however, be DIRECTLY traced the trade routes of merchants.
>
> I take it you are disputing the disease brought to the Americas
> also? That is
> the disease spead of which I am speaking
>
>
>
> > Trade routes
> > that could be established because *the Romans built paved roads
> throughout
> > their empire*! Sorry, but if you want to attach blame to
> someone for the
> > spread of ANYTHING in the Old World (and what a useless and
> pathetic hobby
> > that is), blame the Romans for making movement between parts of
> the world
> > easier. (Roman roads also greatly aided the spread of Christianity as
> > well, you might note.)
> >
> > >I dont think it is a straw man with this amount of evidence.
> >
> > Factually incorrect evidence, on the other hand...
>
> It seems so both ways
>
> >
> >
> > >There is no doubt in my mind
> > >that there were also other issus that effected life there, but
> throughout
> > >the time you mention China and the Middle East were the most advanced
> > >people in the world, and gaining.
> > >
> > >As for not speaking Chinese or Indian, perhaps you have not looked at
> > >demographics lately, but most the world does speak Chinese or Indian.
> >
> > The original quote that started this was:
> >
> > > >We'd be living in space and in other solar systems by now
> were it not for
> > > religion. One thousand years were wasted on its man hating
> beliefs. <<<
> >
>
> If you read my reply to that post, you will see that I stated
> that no certain
> amount of improvement could be for sure - it would be guesswork,
> but that I felt
> it would certainly have helped a lot (or something to that effect
> - I dont have
> it)
>
>
> > With China's overpopulation problems you'd think they'd have
> transfered more
> > of their people to the Chinese outposts on Mars and the moons
> of Jupiter by
> > now, wouldn't you?
> >
>
> Yea, China's had a tough few hundred years - too bad huh
>
>
> > You might be interested in reading _The Lucifer Principal_ by
> Howard Bloom
> > some time. He goes a little over the edge near the end, but it
> is a very
> > good look at the dynamics of civilizations and their spread and
> competition
> > for resources[1].
> >
> > -Prof. Tim
> >
> > [1] With lots of meaty footnotes too!
>
> My brother, a somtimes poster here, has recommended it also -
> Ill erad it soon
>
>
>
> Sodom
> Bill Roh
>
>