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> virus-digest Thursday, August 6 1998 Volume 02 :
Number 533
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> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:05:56 +0200
> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andreas_Engstr=F6m?= <andreas@innovative.se>
> Subject: RE: virus: bad boys etc
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> Tracy Yucikas <tyucikas@cts.com> wrote:
> >
> > oh gosh, never thought I'd play the devil's disciple and
> > defend a biblical
> > point
> > of view, but here goes ....
> >
> > "In the beginning the world was without form and void ...."
> > is how Genesis 1,1 starts out.
> >
> > Amazingly close to the default conditions which one could imagine
> > existing prior to the "Big Bang". (without form and void)
> >
> > Although I fer sure take issue with a lot of stuff that
> > comes later,
> > I can find no fault with how the first book of the bible starts.
Just
> > need to speak out for truth (as I see it at least).
> >
> > ...Tracy Yucikas (speaking for non-verbal memes)
>
> Truth as you see it seems to be a bit incorrect.
>
> If one is going to correct someone, one should make darn sure
> one's correction actually is correct..
>
> The following are the first three verses of Genesis,
> chapter 1 (King James Version):
>
> 1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
> 2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
> was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved
> upon the face of the waters.
> 3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
>
> So, Genesis 1.1 doesn't start out as you claim, but exactly
> like Sodom quoted it. In the _next_ verse the phrase "without
> form, and void" occurs. In the same verse "the spirit of God moved
> upon the face of the water". Not a very accurate description of
> pre-"Big Bang" conditions, if you ask me.
>
> Not that I agree with Sodom either.. I'm sure that some verses in
> Genesis regarding reality that doesn't conflict with science.
> For instance, how about Genesis 1:20?
>
> 20. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the
> moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly
> above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
>
> Aside from that "God" is supposed to have said this, certainly
> there are living creatures in the waters and birds flying above
> us? See? Genesis is a source of infinite wisdom.. :-)
>
> - -Andreas Engstrom
> (Great Randomness)
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> Tracy Yucikas <tyucikas@cts.com> wrote:
> > 
> > oh gosh, never thought I'd play the devil's
disciple and 
> > defend a biblical
> > point
> > of view, but here goes ....
> > 
> > "In the beginning the world was without form and
void ...." 
> > is how Genesis 1,1 starts out. 
> > 
> > Amazingly close to the default conditions which
one could imagine 
> > existing prior to the "Big Bang". (without form
and void)
> > 
> > Although I fer sure take issue with a lot of
stuff that 
> > comes later,
> > I can find no fault with how the first book of
the bible starts. Just
> > need to speak out for truth (as I see it at
least).
> > 
> > ...Tracy Yucikas (speaking for non-verbal
memes)
> 
>
> Truth as you see it seems to be a bit
incorrect.
> 
>
> If one is going to correct someone, one should make
darn sure
> one's correction actually is correct..
> 
>
> The following are the first three verses of Genesis,

> chapter 1 (King James Version):
> 
>
> 1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth. 
> 2. And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness 
> was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of
God moved
> upon the face of the waters. 
> 3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was
light. 
> 
>
> So, Genesis 1.1 doesn't start out as you claim, but
exactly
> like Sodom quoted it. In the _next_ verse the
phrase "without
> form, and void" occurs. In the same verse "the
spirit of God moved
> upon the face of the water". Not a very accurate
description of 
> pre-"Big Bang" conditions, if you ask me. 
> 
>
> Not that I agree with Sodom either.. I'm sure that
some verses in 
> Genesis regarding reality that doesn't conflict
with science.
> For instance, how about Genesis 1:20?
> 
>
> 20. And God said, Let the waters bring forth
abundantly the 
> moving creature that hath life, and fowl that
may fly 
> above the earth in the open firmament of
heaven. 
> 
>
> Aside from that "God" is supposed to have said this,
certainly 
> there are living creatures in the waters and birds
flying above 
> us? See? Genesis is a source of infinite wisdom..
:-)
> 
>
> -Andreas Engstrom
> (Great Randomness)
> 
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> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:47:18 -0600
> From: David McFadzean <david@lucifer.com>
> Subject: Re: virus: Memetic Engineering
>
> At 08:19 PM 8/4/98 -0600, Nathaniel Hall wrote:
>
> >>From what I know of his level 3, believing in mutually exclusive
memes
> >simultaneously, I rather just peak at level two. I'm of that
> >unenlightened view that reality is objective, and that real knowledge
> >consists of knowing what really is out there.
>
> If there is an objective reality (and I agree that evidence suggests
there
> is), then no-one has direct access to it. All we experience is
subjective
> reality. Real knowledge consistently describes objective reality,
but it
> is never more than a model and shouldn't be equated to reality.
>
> As for mutually exclusive memes, isn't possible that both these
statements
> may be true?
>
> Humans are animals.
> Humans are not animals.
>
> Doesn't it depend on context and interpretation?
> - --
> David McFadzean david@lucifer.com
> Memetic Engineer http://www.lucifer.com/~david/
> Church of Virus http://www.lucifer.com/virus/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:36:17 -0700
> From: "Kelley, Ian" <IKelley@littler.com>
> Subject: RE: virus: Memetic Engineering
>
> David McFadzean sez:
>
> >If there is an objective reality (and I agree that evidence suggests
> there
> >is), then no-one has direct access to it. All we experience is
> subjective
> >reality. Real knowledge consistently describes objective reality, but
>
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