> I believe it was many people's work of fiction. I am not aware of anyone,
> anywhere discussing Jesus except in the Bilbe, or very many decades or centuries
> after his supposed death. Plus, the writers of the Gosphels were known and
> common liars in their own time. Much was inserted into texts after they were
> completed in an attempt to add Jesus to history. Neither Roman or Jewish
> historuians of the time mention the figure, and he is no public records. Of
> course, many people say that much of the records were destroyed over the
> following centuries, but of course they were destroyed, The early Christians
> destroyed all they could at the time, including most of the pertinent records.
>
Rather like the Nixon staffer's destruction of information to perserve the 'I am not
a crook" meme. If the records supported their beliefs, than they whould be all too
happy to perserve them.
> >
> >
> > >Except that they were first, you have it backwards. Your beliefs are the
> > copies, the false beliefs. It's not that they are names for Christ, it's
> > >that the early Christians, while fighting the pagens, took all they could
> > from the pagan religions to help in the conversion process.
> > There are many names for God. But they all mean God.
>
> No they do not, only in your attempt to be monothiestic - which you are not or
> you would not need 3 names for the same entity. Horus was a God, so was his
> enemy Set. So was Isis, Osiris, Marduk, Enki, the list goes on.
>
Zeus/Jupiter; Thor; Odin; Apollo; Athena; Aphrodite/Venus; Artemeteris/Diana; Hera;
Mercury; the list is endless. None of them has any more or less proof than any
other. I play it safe and disbelieve in all of them.
> > >Most do, and you never hear about it. All of the Disease i mention are
> > diseases that can be prevented in most cases. Is the book of >Mormon
> > changing to meet new discoveries. Have they banned most meat? sugar and the
> > million other substances that could hurt you?
> > Again I have to say we just would rather not take the chance. We are
> > instructed since the 1850's to avoid
> >
> > meat in excess.
> >
> > >That is a quite popular statement from those who support censorship,
> > unfortunatly, what you are saying is not the truth. Most people that >are
> > violent and react violently have found it in their family lives. There is
> > not a direct correltaion between violence and violent television. I >cant
> > say i am aware of anyone who has reacted violently because of seeing
> > violence on the screen. i am aware of some children doing >copy-cat stuff,
> > but usually it is of the stupid type, not the violent type.
> > So you can honestly say that NOBODY is effected in any way by what they
> > see on TV and in movies?
> >
> > You have got to be kidding...
>
> No I can honestly say that the numbers dont support the issue of it being a
> problem. I can say there are occasional idiots, but much more violent idiocy is
> dealt out by religion than the television.
>
Yes, look at the Children's Crusade - thousands of kids followed a shepard boy who
claimed he had a vision and walked into the middle east, most never returned.
Absolutely nothing was accomplished.
> >
> >
> > Lot placed his faith in God and knew that God would not allow harm to
> > come
> > to
> > his daughters if he gave them to the mob.
> >
> > >How did he know this, that is not stated. That is conjecture to protect the
> > meme.
> > He didn't KNOW this. He had FAITH.
>
> He did not have faith, he offered his Daughters.
>
His actuions are roughly analagous to the following: I am walking in the halls at
school and meet a mob of boys insisting that they will either rape a defenseless
sixth-grade girl who is wearing a crucifix stating that she is under the protection
of God or sodomize a passing armed police officer, and that I will choose which they
will do. And, to continue the analogy, I give them the girl because I don't want
the police angry at me. Would you consider my actions in this situation rational?
Even if you believe in God, you are sounding like the person who said that we didn't
need an archive because the best memes would survive anyway - but MUCH higher
stakes.
> > HOwever, if he had given the
> > angels
> > to them he guessed that would be a disgrace to God.
> > Since God created man I guess it is his option how he punishes those who
> > are evil.
> > > Like ordering the elimination of everyone in two cities, also dont forget
> > the Canaanites. Basically you see this genocidal God of yours as >a kind and
> > loving individual?
> > We don't question God's motives.
>
> The lord works in mysterious ways, huh? Thats what people who dont buckle
> their child into a saftey seat say, and people who put their homes on flood
> planes. It's lunacy, plain and simple. You should question your god, if I
> worshipped a god that was responsible for the things your god has done, I would
> very much change to whatever the opposite side was.
>
Yes, but I doubt our friend is considering Wicca or Satanism right now :-)
> Sodom
-- Nathan Russell frussell@frontiernet.net
"I am confident that the Republicans will pick a nominee that will beat Bill Clinton" -Dan Quayle on the 2000 presidential election