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>virus-digest Friday, May 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 462
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:29:47 -0400
>From: Sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
>Subject: Re: virus: Encounter with suds for the western-impaired
>
>oh yes, and dont forget your nipple tassles!!! haha
>
>Sodom
>Bill Roh
>
>Wade T.Smith wrote:
>
>> Hear ye, hear ye-
>>
>> For anyone who is interested- Prof. Tim, Sodom, myself and my lady (whom
>> I met through this list) will be congregating in Cambridge, MA on
>> Tuesday, May 26th, at 2000 hours (that's 8PM you usanian dogs) and anyone
>> who is in the area is invited. Prof. Tim is in town visiting, and he
>> suggested the meet originally.
>>
>> Where you ask?
>>
>> John Harvard's Brew House, 33 Church Street, Harvard Square, Cambridge,
>> MA, USA. It's right off the Red Line at the Harvard Square stop. (This is
>> Harvard Square, there ain't no bleedin' parking anywhere....) Ask
>> anyone.... Ask that street magician.... Ask that cop at your front
>> door....
>>
>> RSVP, if'n you want, to me directly- or just show up.
>>
>> Recording apparatus and/or flash photography will be allowed during the
>> meeting....
>>
>> *****************
>> Wade T. Smith
>> morbius@channel1.com | "There ain't nothin' you
>> wade_smith@harvard.edu | shouldn't do to a god."
>> morbius@cyberwarped.com |
>> ******* http://www.channel1.com/users/morbius/ *******
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:51:03 -0400
>From: Sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
>Subject: Re: virus: Nuke Meme (Hrom do tebe!)
>
>Oh yea, it's heatin up, wonderful, proof that no matter how "enlightened"
we
>become, it all comes down to feces throwing!! This gave me an idea, about
the
>environment in mind that lets memes grow or fade. It seems to me that the
mind,
>a product of brain, has many influences that are internal - ie..
neurochemical
>balances, genetic tendencies etc... in which memes have to exist. Any of
you
>that know me, know that i suspect that fear and reproduction are the most
major
>internal influences on mind (There are many others that play parts, but I
>consider fear and sex to be the most primitive and powerful) I suspect that
>memes that use these basic environmental factors as building blocks or as
>important parts of their makup, have a very high survival rate. I believe
that
>*religion* is a fear based meme, and is therefore very locked into mind. I
>would also suspect that the opposite is somewhat true. I, who have
dedicated a
>great deal of personal effort to eliminating the concept of fear, perhaps
have
>an opposite problem. Memes that need fear to survive, don't do well in my
>*mind*. This has at times caused me to be trusting when I should have been
>weary, or perhaps I have chosen a more dangerous and less beneficial method
of
>accomplishing some goal due to my lack of *fear*.
>
>What do you guys think of the concept of "meme environment" in relation to
>internal factors? Has this subject been broached before and I missed it?
>
>Sodom
>Bill Roh
>
>Kristee wrote:
>
>> Brent Lane Robertson,
>>
>> Well, no, I don't think that was "poetic talk" at all. It can best be
>> described as "angry talk". If you had feelings maybe you would be upset
if
>> someone said something to the effect of "Your mother is a whore" or
>> something like that.
>>
>> Anyhow, 'Kristee is saying': Brent, (minus all the excess speech) wow;
you
>> are a jerk too. Thanks for letting me know this ahead of time; I won't
>> bother posting to you again.
>>
>> ~kjs
>>
>> Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
>> http://www.mailexcite.com
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:43:20 -0700
>From: KMO <kmo@amazon.com>
>Subject: virus: Re: request
>
>Hey David,
>
>That fact that you'd be in town would be more than enough of a reason to
>convene a gathering of the NW Virions. If Richard is in town, I'm sure
>he'd offer his apartment as a meeting spot. If not, there are numerous
>bars and resturants we could commandeer.
>
>I'll keep my eyes open for an event to use as an excuse, but no pretext
>is needed. Just pick a date that's convenient for you and the other
>trippers and then give the Seattlites as much advance warning as you
>can.
>
>It'll be the joint!
>
>C ya.
>
>- -KMO
>
>
>David McFadzean wrote:
>>
>> Hey, I'd like to visit Seattle some time this summer (Jul-Sep)
>> so I was wondering if you could keep your eyes open for a
>> suitable excuse to get the local virions together, e.g.
>> a concert or lecture. Ken Pantheists and Deron Stewart have
>> already expressed interest in a road trip south of the border.
>> (A weekend would be best, I'll tack on a day for traveling.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --
>> David McFadzean david@kumo.com
>> Memetic Engineer http://www.kumo.com/~david/
>> Kumo Software Corp. http://www.kumo.com
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:53:02 -0700
>From: "Richard Brodie" <richard@brodietech.com>
>Subject: virus: RE: request
>
>The weekends of July 17, August 8, and August 22 are currently good for me.
>
>Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie
>Author, "Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme"
>http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/votm.htm
>Visit Meme Central! http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/meme.htm
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: kmo@amazon.com [mailto:kmo@amazon.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 11:43 AM
>To: David McFadzean
>Cc: Eva-Lise Carlstrom; Richard Brodie; Ken Pantheists; Tim Rhodes;
>Virus
>Subject: Re: request
>
>
>Hey David,
>
>That fact that you'd be in town would be more than enough of a reason to
>convene a gathering of the NW Virions. If Richard is in town, I'm sure
>he'd offer his apartment as a meeting spot. If not, there are numerous
>bars and resturants we could commandeer.
>
>I'll keep my eyes open for an event to use as an excuse, but no pretext
>is needed. Just pick a date that's convenient for you and the other
>trippers and then give the Seattlites as much advance warning as you
>can.
>
>It'll be the joint!
>
>C ya.
>
>- -KMO
>
>
>David McFadzean wrote:
>>
>> Hey, I'd like to visit Seattle some time this summer (Jul-Sep)
>> so I was wondering if you could keep your eyes open for a
>> suitable excuse to get the local virions together, e.g.
>> a concert or lecture. Ken Pantheists and Deron Stewart have
>> already expressed interest in a road trip south of the border.
>> (A weekend would be best, I'll tack on a day for traveling.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --
>> David McFadzean david@kumo.com
>> Memetic Engineer http://www.kumo.com/~david/
>> Kumo Software Corp. http://www.kumo.com
>
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:31:48 -0800
>From: "Chelstad, Erik" <chelste@data-io.com>
>Subject: RE: virus: RE: request
>
>If you would, keep me up to date, I've been off the list for a while,
>but
>it would be interesting to have a few brews with you cats.
>
>eEc
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:31:00 -0400
>From: Mark Robbins <starfeather@starfeather.com>
>Subject: Re: virus: RE: request
>
>meme of the day :
>Did Clinton sell technologies to China
> See /hear
> http://www.warroom.com/listen.html
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:02:23 -0400
>From: Sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
>Subject: Re: virus: RE: request
>
>So what if he did? Describe why he should not in an objective fashion.
>Also, how is it a meme? Perhaps it is the anti-communist meme that we
>are discussing?
>
>Sodom
>Bill Roh
>
>Mark Robbins wrote:
>
>> meme of the day :
>> Did Clinton sell technologies to China
>> See /hear
>> http://www.warroom.com/listen.html
>
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:32:30 +0000
>From: "Joe E. Dees" <jdees0@students.uwf.edu>
>Subject: Re: virus: RE: request
>
>> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:02:23 -0400
>> From: Sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
>> Organization: Tis Pootanis
>> To: virus@lucifer.com
>> Subject: Re: virus: RE: request
>> Reply-to: virus@lucifer.com
>
>> So what if he did? Describe why he should not in an objective fashion.
>> Also, how is it a meme? Perhaps it is the anti-communist meme that we
>> are discussing?
>>
>> Sodom
>> Bill Roh
>>
> One does not have to be anticommunist or anti-most things (except
>anti-butchery and anti-brutality) to be against the actions taken in
>Tienanmen Square in 1989, and to continue to oppose the Chinese
>leaders who ordered and continue to attempt to justify such actions.
>They have, however, already lost; when the next generation matures
>into positions of power, it will be like the USSR all over again.
>The Chinese youth have been irreversibly infected with the freedom
>meme, and it will eventually prevail.
>
>> Mark Robbins wrote:
>>
>> > meme of the day :
>> > Did Clinton sell technologies to China
>> > See /hear
>> > http://www.warroom.com/listen.html
>>
>>
>>
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:17:44 -0400
>From: Sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
>Subject: Re: virus: RE: request
>
>Joe E. Dees wrote:
>
>> > Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:02:23 -0400
>> > From: Sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
>> > Organization: Tis Pootanis
>> > To: virus@lucifer.com
>> > Subject: Re: virus: RE: request
>> > Reply-to: virus@lucifer.com
>>
>> > So what if he did? Describe why he should not in an objective fashion.
>> > Also, how is it a meme? Perhaps it is the anti-communist meme that we
>> > are discussing?
>> >
>> > Sodom
>> > Bill Roh
>> >
>> One does not have to be anticommunist or anti-most things (except
>> anti-butchery and anti-brutality) to be against the actions taken in
>> Tienanmen Square in 1989, and to continue to oppose the Chinese
>> leaders who ordered and continue to attempt to justify such actions.
>
>I fail to see any significant differences in the way China treats its
>population and the way most countries treat their people. The US repeatedly
>and deliberately commits grave offenses against humanity without serious
>apology. The US incarcerates much more of its own population than China or
>any other country does for offenses of the same nature. There are 3/4 of a
>million people incarcerated for possession of small amounts of marijuana,
>the government of this country deliberately lets minorities die of disease
>so it can study its course, deliberately and secretly has irradiated parts
>of the population to see the effects, sells weapons to oppressive
>governments. Who is the worlds largest exporter of military weaponry? Shall
>we speak of the atrocities carried out by most of our allies too? C'mon, I
>am not suggesting that Tianamen square was not a tragedy, what I am
>suggesting is that human rights are not the issue if all the major
countries
>are guilty of serious and continuing violations.
> As for China, I too see them as a problem for democracy and capitalism
>(I am not a believer in democracy or capitalism but for this purpose will
>take it's side). I think that the world economy and the sheer weight of the
>population will eventually force China to reconsider it's political
>structure. I would hope that the people of China take freedom much more
>seriously than we have, as in this country, only white, christian males are
>free - all others face differing levels of state sponsored oppression.
> I would say that the best way to move China and other simialar
countries
>away from their oppressive styles is to cooperate as much as possible.
Bring
>as much culture, technology, science, as possible and use it to infect the
>Chinese people with our memes. Make it so that China cannot function alone
>without being unentangled from the rest of the capitalistic world.
> Also, lets face it, when it comes to butchery and brutality in this
>world, the US is the hands down winner. In the history of our country, We
>have obliterated 10s of millions of American natives, Carpet bombed whole
>populations, dropped the big bomb 2x (and what a pretty fireball i might
>add). Over half of our history included slavery, subjugation of women,
>genocide of the american native. It would take volumes and volumes to
>describe American butchery.
> So the meme you are worried about is not anti-butchery, or
>anti-communist, it is the nationalist meme - Americans are right, all
others
>are by default, wrong. Thats the best thing about being an American, you
are
>always on the morally correct side - YES!
>
>Sodom
>Bill Roh
>
>> They have, however, already lost; when the next generation matures
>> into positions of power, it will be like the USSR all over again.
>> The Chinese youth have been irreversibly infected with the freedom
>> meme, and it will eventually prevail.
>>
>> > Mark Robbins wrote:
>> >
>> > > meme of the day :
>> > > Did Clinton sell technologies to China
>> > > See /hear
>> > > http://www.warroom.com/listen.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:23:08 -0600
>From: David McFadzean <david@lucifer.com>
>Subject: virus: survival or entertainment?
>
>Forwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev@bostic.com>
>Forwarded-by: guy@netapp.com (Guy Harris)
>Forwarded-by: Tom Tierney <tierney@home.com>
>
>>From Time magazine, "Numbers" section:
>
> $50 million:
> Estimated cost for a 10-year program that would
> identify large asteroids most threatening to earth.[1]
>
> $75 million:
> Budget for "Deep Impact", a film about the devastation
> caused when a comet hits earth.
>
>[1] This originally said $5 million for annual cost. I changed it
>because it was slightly misleading.
>- --
>David McFadzean david@lucifer.com
>Memetic Engineer http://www.lucifer.com/~david/
>Church of Virus http://www.lucifer.com/virus/
>
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:06:21 -0800
>From: "Chelstad, Erik" <chelste@data-io.com>
>Subject: RE: virus: survival or entertainment?
>
>So, does anyone else see Hollywood as a giant magnifying lens for
>memes? Small ideas, like some screenwriter's fear of big space
>borne rocks, possibly fed from some lovely little rag like Time or
>People
>and a healthy diet of cocaine and diet-soda, feed into a money burning
>engine and blaze out into millions of awaiting viewers.
>
>I've always enjoyed watching the main ideas (or would those be
>meta-memes?)
>proliferated through the pop culture channels. Tonight on news at 9....
>a real life Jurassic Park right here in Seattle.....you know the
>symptoms when
>one of these viruses attacks the national organism.
>
>Just my imagination????
>
>eEc
>
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 98 18:11:35 -0400
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