Re: virus: urban myths?
red_mist (red_mist@portsurfer.demon.co.uk)
Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:32:12 +0100
In message <353E0AB3.98237A5D@ma.ultranet.com>, Sodom
<sodom@ma.ultranet.com> writes
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>red_mist wrote:
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>> What I, and most hackers do belive though is that all
>> information should be free and the government is stoping this goal from
>> being acheived. They must expect attempts by hackers to acheive their
>> goals.
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>i tried hard to read this without laughing, it seems that this phase is more
>common than i thought. I too went through it but I was quite wrong in my
>assumptions. INFORMATION is NOT and should not be free. I discovered this as
>a musician. I create electronic music that takes sometimes months to
>complete. It takes a lot of *soul* searching and hard work to accomplish the
>musical compositions I have created. it cost me a lot of money to go to
>College for music (not really, I was on schollarship) so it cost the state.
>My point being, Under the hacker philosophy, all my work is now free to
>everyone else, copyrights be damned. Whatever money and effort i put into is
>now free for everyone and I can make no living in music, thanks to that
>philosophy. If info was free, there would be no info. It costs millions of
>dollars to make decent sceintific headway, should pharmacudical companies
>just give all that info away and throw away their profit? why would anyone be
>in business if they couldnt gain from it? When i hacked, experimented with
>drugs, and explored the seedy underbelly of society, it was easy to be
>spiteful to the rich. I did make money, but not a lot, i had no measurable
>financial worth, i had no family to raise or house to call my own. I called
>it freedom, but now i call it stupid. The world is full of angry young men
>who think society owes them something when they have yet to make even the
>smallest contribution to the lives of people around them. I lived in the
>crowd, many of my friends are still there, but most have moved on.
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What I'm trying to say is that information should be available for
everybody, Like if a scientist makes a new discovery the discovery
should be made public for the world. I'm not against him making a
profit from it, he deserves, but the discovery should be made public and
not covered up like so many new dicoverys
>> As for big business and rich people, they are really fun to screw with
>> because they always think they're better than everyone else, so it's
>> good fun to show them who's boss. Also they can probably afford any
>> costs from this
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>Who are you or any hacker to say this!?!?!? Most wealthy people got there
>from hard work and intelligence. I did not know this until i spent time among
>them. There are some lucky idiots who have fallen into money, but far and
>away, the successful people i know worked there asses off to get where they
>are. They did all they could for their children, volunteer time and money
>(Which I have never known a hacker to do, and I know a lot of hackers) In my
>experience, Wealthier people often have a much stronger philosophical
>backbone than you suggest. They are often well read, and capable
>communicators. You cannot steal from one person and call it "ok" on the basis
>that you *think* they can afford it. They do not suspect they are better than
>anyone else, not the wealthy I know. Although most hackers I know, think they
>are better and smarter than the people they are stealing from, as i once
>thought.
Most wealthy people are addicted to getting more monet. Yes they may
work hard but all their money isn't doing any good, it's just sitting in
the banks or investment companys getting more money, what good can come
from that???
Some rich people do give to charity but although when they say they've
given 200,000 it may sound a lot but if they have another 15,000,000
or more in the bank you realise how much more money they could've given.
Hackers do give time and money to charity but you never hear about it
because they don't have the money to give huge sums to organisations and
they can never really dedicate much time because they have a keyboard
infrount of them.
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>and, your final statement "Only the weak are blind when the mist descends"
>must come from experience.
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Can we keep personal abuse out of this
>Sodom
>I have seen the light, someone pull down the shade
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Only the weak are blind when the mist descends
red_mist