I once heard a joke about some people who were being shown around heaven by St.
Peter and they came to this place and St. Peter shushed them from speaking and
said;
that is where the (insert your own sect here) are and they think they are the only
ones here.
What you will find here on this list are people who believe they are human and
have 0 religion. If that is not deluded then I do not know what is.
Religion to me is just the way we frame our existence. I have skin that divides
me from what is "not me". Religion is what connects me to what is not me. I am
interested in what connects you to me. I know what connects me to you.
For people to come here and quibble about the meaning of words (oh my I have done
that too) and not get the bigger picture... well I still enjoy seeing the
process. And I am not so deluded to not see my own progress as being measured by
all of you and the others I choose to associate with.
So keep on whacking on me! I have more living to do and more learning and lovin.
Marie
ECheung76 wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-27 11:34:55 EST, you write:
>
> << It is quite a good conversation. If what you are asking is this really
> GOD... well I have no idea. The thought came to me after being involved in
> some earlier discussions on this list with a born again who chose to leave us
> because she did not feel that anyone really wanted to listen to her side of
> things.
>
> We square up our vision of life and how we relate to it based on lots of
> ideas from others on what is ok and what is not ok. And talking to oneself
> is one of those not so ok things to do. Well, I feel that the hardest thing
> to do is to really be aware of our own lack of true skepticism about our own
> blindness.
>
> It is easy to view religion for example as all negative. Well, life is not
> that simple. All things in life are choices. Some people here seem to
> cherish athiesm with the same fervor of religious fanatics.
>
> Someone said for example that athiesm has not produced bad things for
> people. Sigh... this is a time of post communism. How quickly one forgets
> that oppression in the name of any "ideal" still hurts as much.
>
> To Marie,
>
> You said:
>
> So back to that conversation. I like a course in miracles. The reason I
> like it is that it squares up with my idea of what Jesus Christ was all
> about... And yes, I was raised as a Christian just not the born again type.
> So, I have always kind of liked the picture of this man who just seemed to
> understand what people are really all about.
>
> And in the quiet times when all about is still, a voice calls to me. It is
> my own personal experience. Sharing it here is difficult. Perhaps when you
> are all my age, you will have your own voice. I have had life without it. I
> do not want to go back.
> >>
> First communism isn't equal to atheism, atheism doesn't prosecute people
> because of what they belief. To me, although religion is the opium of the mass
> but it is better let it fade out rather than suppressing it. Believe in the
> power of people's intelligence, don't guide them.
> Beside, by now you know the voice is from yourself rather than from without,
> why shall you afraid of it? To attribute it as god and follow it like a dog
> "love his/her master" is a choice, to discard it as merely voice is another
> choice. As what I study in psychology I know our so called personality
> actually is quite fragmentary, it is not surprising to found out a voice out
> of some sub-formed personality comment on your behaviors or it is your
> instinct (i.e. the six-sense, whatever you call it.) The biggest sin of
> christianity is claiming something within yourself as from without. It is like
> compartmentalize yourself.
>
> I hope this would help,
> Born-again Atheist,
> Euler
-- MarieWho in real life exists as
The Noble Lady Casey, Serpent's Hold, Sonoma Shard, Britannia