Re: virus: free thought

Brett Lane Robertson (unameit@tctc.com)
Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:17:46 -0500


At 02:09 AM 1/27/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Brett Lane Robertson writes:
>
>> It is not mystical...perhaps "magical" (some more splitting of hairs...
>[snip]
>> The same characteristic (necessariness) might similarly be applied to
>> numbers--which though symbolic cannot indiscriminately stand for diverse
>> relationships ("2 trees" applies to *two* trees, not three or four...and
>it
>> is the relationship between the symbol and the object which makes this
>> "meaning" work, not the definition applied to the number "2"). It is the
>> ordered quality of the (numeric) symbol which allows us to formulate
>> mathematical equations. Similarly, the ordered quality of words allow us
>to
>> formulate logical relationships--not the relatively arbitrary
>> interpretations applied to them by people in compromising situations with
>> other people.
>
>Yes... I think "magical" is the right term for your use of language after
>all.
>
>-Prof. Tim
>
List,

Unsure if Prof. Tim is agreeing here or being derisive. Still, I will
follow up.

Mystical implies relativity...distinctions between things (ideas, etc.) are
dissolved and a "feeling" as to something's relevance is reasoned
inductively. "Magical" (the way I am using the term) refers to ordered
levels of meaning; thereby, symbolic understanding at more concise levels
allows for manipulating certain symbolic keys (causes) and having
far-reaching effects.

I only chose the term magical, however, to contrast it from the term
mystical--which wade used. I think that prejudice against the term
"magical" makes this argument weak...though I was more commenting on Wade's
post than presenting an argument.

If in place of "magical" one uses the term "logical" (as in the *logical*
progression of ideas as deduced by following-up the "meaning" of the terms
used...), then the argument holds more sway. Notwithstanding, my main point
was not that I believe words (like numbers) can be manipulated to yield a
logical "sum" of their ideas (which I take to be a given); but, that
honoring the person credited with the "invention" of an idea complicates the
progression of the idea by including the idiosyncrasies of human error into
a comparatively "pure" formula for "truth".

Brett

ps for more on "magic" see:
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