> On Sat, 1 Feb 1997, Tim Rhodes wrote:
> > On 1 Feb 1997, David Rosdeitcher wrote:
> >
> > > Consciousness
> > > does not simply perceive a subjective definition of existence, but
> > > existence itself, (even though each person has a different point of
> > > view, has limited knowledge, different sense organs, biases, etc -a
> > > different experience, they are still perceiving existence directly.)
> >
> > This is beautiful! Objective reallity is defined /AS/ Subjective reality.
> > Marvelous!!! Undercut the whole question and cut to the chase. Now, is
> > objective reallity, therefore, as flexible as subjective reallity?
> >
> >
> > - Prof. Tim
>
> The entire question is more intricate than the above suggests. Here's
> my current model:
>
> 1) "Subjective reality" <> "Objective reality".
> 2) "Subjective reality" is "what I have direct experience of". This
> isn't exactly reliable; for instance, the visual aspect assumes that the
> hardware isn't trying to quit while I'm awake. [For instance, watching
> one's visual parsing momentarily crash while taking notes to capture
> *everything* on the blackboard, in real time, gets interesting. Sheer
> fatigue.]
> 3) "Objective reality" is "what runs subjective reality." Much effort
> has gone into subjectively understanding and manipulating objective reality.
>
Yes, but does consciousness perceive the objective or subjective?
Our Objectivists seem to be saying, "Because we're conscious we perceive
the objective reality, albeit subjectively."
I don't know, sounds like hedging to me.
-Prof. Tim