Re: virus: Re: Virus: Sociological Change

Lior Golgher (
Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:07:06 -0800

I'll let the thread develop a bit before responding the whole thing.
Just some more fuel to light up the fire...

> * What about infinite Super-structres [e.g. state] and Sub-structres
> [e.g. family], forming, mutating and collapsing according to the needs &
> aspirations of the individual?
> These already exist, we just need to rebuild them from base principles.

These are the very building blocks of society, and yet most
revolutionary idealogies take them into account only during implemention
<see Communism>. It's not enough to develop a social idealogy and only
then try to make society fit in. We have to make the chaotic evolution
of social structres a driving force rather than a problem with which to

> * Let's say a billion people are interested in eating choco-ice-cream -
> Should the social structre for this interest be made of a billion
> members? What are the criterions upon which to build a social structre?
> Impractical. There lies the problem with large states. That's what we';ve got to decide (I'm not being all > that helpful, am I?)

Let me rephrase it: Even if there're a billion people who want the same
thing, it's usually impractical to expect them all to work in a single
social structre whose interest is to provide them with that thing, in
this case choco-ice-cream. So the criterion upon which to build a
pro-choco-ice-cream social structre isn't the *number* of people who are
interested in it. Then what IS that criterion?

> What's wrong with buying choco-ice-cream in the nearby store?
> How would you apply such a metaphore to *actual* social structures?

Ben & Jerry's can answer the demand for choco-ice-cream better than a
pro-choco-ice-cream social structre. i.e. In a free market you don't
necessarily have to produce your commodities by yourself. You can
concentrate on providing yourself with the means of purchasing whatever
you want.

> * What makes a society stable?
> Non conflicting laws. No prejudices. Education among the people.

Let's focus on the idea of 'education among the people'. What does it
mean? Why is it needed for a stable society? How can it be reached?