RE: menes or gemes? (was Re: virus: Martyrdom)

Eva-Lise Carlstrom (
Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:39:19 -0800 (PST)

On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Martin Traynor wrote:

> On 8 Nov 96 at 20:31, Eva-Lise Carlstrom wrote:
> > ... I don't find it coherent to attempt to come
> > up with a term parallel to 'gene' and 'meme' for an individual unit of
> > "something" in this area. Picture someone prsented with a glass of juice
> > which appears to be made of apples, oranges, or some combination of the
> > two, possibly with something else mixed in. It would not make sense to
> > announce that the fruits it was made of would be henceforth referred to as
> > 'orples'. It would, however, make sense to continue to inquire what those
> > fruits in fact were, and refer to them as 'fruits' in the meantime
> > ('transmissible behavioural influences/determiners').
> This is sufficiently descriptive but insuccint (try having a
> verbal discussion on the subject). Maybe we just need to acronym it
> (BIDs anyone?).

True enough. I wasn't trying to provide a quick-and-easy term for daily
use, only to identify clearly what it was I was talking about, and
distinguish the act of talking about the whole set of such determiners as
memes and genes from the act of naming indeterminate units within that

'TBIDS' would work for me--I'd pronounce it 'teebids'. :)
(I wouldn't want to leave off the T, because the transmissible nature of
memes and genes is an irreducible factor in the definition)