Re: virus: TT and The Absolute Truth

Tadeusz Niwinski (
Tue, 05 Nov 1996 01:01:55 -0800

David McF wrote:
>At 01:57 PM 04/11/96 -0800, Tadeusz Niwinski wrote:
>>This something which is independent of propositions exists, doesn't it?
>>What do YOU call it, David?
>I call it objective reality.

An apple is objective reality. What do you call the fact that this apple is

>>There is this property of Objective Reality which makes this world
>>rational and predictable. Nothing would be possible if pi was once 3.14
>>and some other time 8.25. When talking about evolution, we
>>automatically assume that the Nature is consistent. It wouldn't be
>>possible otherwise. The judge who decides who "the fittest" are -- is not
>>capricious. We are even slowly learning his/her/its rules.
>I didn't say that pi ever had a different value. I'm claiming that pi
>is a number and that numbers are an invention, a way to describe reality,
>not reality itself.

I didn't say you did. I am not talking about inventions. I am talking
about this incredible consistency of Nature. You can pretend you don't see
what I write and win the argument, if this is your purpose. It is not my
purpose, David. OK, you win...

>No I do not. Maybe you can explain what Jason meant.

Jason is talking about the same incredible consistency of Nature I call TT.

>I don't know what you mean by TT. If it is neither true nor false
>how is it different from objective reality?

As different as the color of an apple is different from the apple.
The wave length of color red is neither true nor false.
As different as the behaviour of planets from the planets themselves.

>>Can we all come up with some mutually agreeable definition of this
>>peculiar something we all know we are talking about?
>You rejected my definition and my interpretation of Jason's so I
>guess it is your turn to try.

OK, I'll try. David, do you believe that the Universe is consistent in it's
Does the objective reality has this property (I call TT and you are welcome
to name as you like) that causes it to be predictable and knowable? Can you
add your wisdom to a mutually agreeable definition of this peculiar something?

I'll send you a heart if you do.

Tad Niwinski from TeTa where people grow
There is no Absolute Truth, although we are getting closer and closer to IT.