Re: RE[2]: virus: Hosts
Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:40:25 -0500 (CDT)

On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, David Leeper wrote:

> :> 2) I believe the brain's environment has several eco-systems. Examples of these would be sex,
> :> logic and survival. An attempt to map these eco-systems is the Tree Of Life. (Please excuss the
> :> self-promotion, but an on-line description of the Tree of Life is at
> :> ).
> :
> :I like this. Cf. Piaget on the relative development on the logic
> :subsystem [I prefer CIS].
> Is there an on-line reference of (Mr?, Mrs?, Miss?) Piaget?

Mr. Piaget.

I got a phenomenal number of hits on the Excite search engine. First
pass was over 10,000, second [the one on developmental psychology] was
over 150,000. An example hit is:

Yes, the above is one URL!

A more wieldy index URL is

There are also a lot of hits with low relevance and lots of
loosely-related buzzwords. Avoid those. The two above sites have the
right keywords to describe what I'm using.

> :> 4) There would seem to be part of us that "sits apart" from all this, and makes decisions at a
> :> higher level. It decides how much of our resources go into the "sexual eco-system", the
> :> "logical eco-system", and so on. Perhaps a good term for this part of us would be a
> :> "meta-meme", its is a meme that influences which _types_ of memes are favored and which _types_
> :> are disfavored.
> :
> :This meta-meme, as a primary effect, would generate conscious experience
> :when running?
> Understanding consciousness is some rough terrain. However, let's see what I have in my
> backpack...
> I think consciousness requires memes, meta-memes, and environment (including the body). Without
> memes, there'd be no meta-memes. Without meta-memes, we'd be pulled in this direction, then that
> direction by our conflicting memes. Without environment, neither memes nor meta-memes would
> receive any real stimulus.

Hmm...I'll have to look at this more closely.

My point is that consciousness is nearly the ultimate qualium; absence of
this qualium makes the others less than conceivable. In this model, we
need a metameme that generates this qualium.

/ Towards the conversion of data into information....
/ Kenneth Boyd