Re: Postmodernism and Truth (was Re: virus: Simulacrum)

Tadeusz Niwinski (
Fri, 17 May 1996 19:33:50 -0700

David McFadzean wrote:
>At 02:19 AM 17/05/96 -0400, Bill Godby wrote:
>> Again a fundamental aspect of
>>postmodernism is that is denies that there is *truth* rather there are many
>>truths, thus the relativism. It's the response to logical positivism. It
>Deron Stewart mentioned in a recent message that there is an implicit
>Virian belief in one objective truth that is true for all people. I think
>that is true (for all people :-). The claim that truth is subjective is
>self-inconsistent. Either that proposition is an objective truth (which
>obviously makes it false) or it is a subjective truth. If it is subjective
>then it implies that someone else can truthfully claim that truth is
>objective, which again makes the original claim false. This seems to imply
>that there is indeed a way that things are: an objective truth.

I am glad you've mentioned that. Many people believe that: because we are
not able to find the exact truth, there is no Absolute Truth. I would like
to challenge Richard on that. On p. 216 of "Virus of the Mind" he says:
"the more you understand your memetic programming, the less anything in life
looks like the Absolute Truth". His NFL example is more about choosing not
to be too *accurate* for practical purposes, but it does not convince me
that there is no Absolute Truth.

This often leads to claiming that 2 + 2 may not be 4, and the next step is
"anything goes". If two people have different memories of the same events
(I think there was a good movie on HIS and HER story which showed how
differently people perceive the same events). If I remember I did not say
something, and someone tells me I did, there are two interpretations, but
there is only one truth, which we can find if we had the conversation taped.

Richard says: "People programmed with the quest for truth meme often spend
time analyzing past events, trying to figure out who was right, who was
wrong, what people's true intensions were, and so on. Like stopping the
football game for instant replays, stopping to figure out the "truth" all
the time can distract from your enjoyment of life".

Just a thought, Richard: if you did not get your royalties for the Polish
translation of the "Virus of the Mind" next year, would you consider
"analyzing past events, trying to figure out who was right" as a
"distraction from your enjoyment of life"?

I think I share the "Virian belief in one objective truth". What if we call
it God? An atheist God, of course.

Tad Niwinski from TeTa