Re: virus: Is there room for mysticism?

David McFadzean (
Fri, 05 Jan 1996 16:44:45 -0700

At 05:51 PM 05/01/96 -0500, John E.Mayer wrote:

>dismissal of mysticism. As you probably know, Zen lacks
>the superstitious element while still embracing the rational.

I don't see how zen proponents can claim to be rational
while simultaneously eschewing all forms of analysis. Or
am I missing something?

>such states are, after all, the basis of mysticism. By way
>of background, I am 48 and have been involved in magick (yes,
>one of those) and mysticism since about age 18, so I think I

Perhaps you could elaborate a bit on what it means to be
involved in magick. I'm a bit unclear on whether practitioners
believe their rituals invoke actual mystical powers or if
the rituals are just supposed to induce certain positive
mind states and attitudes.

>can say I know those territories. Perhaps someone could
>explain precisely where CoV stands on these matters. Then if

Until further light is shed on the subject, the Church's stance
will have to remain skeptical (not to be confused with cynical :).

David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Merak Projects Ltd.