RE: virus: FAQ: question (a) - Level 3

Richard Brodie (richard@brodietech.com)
Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:41:47 -0700

Eric, I really think you're taking this whole memetics thing too seriously. It's like people who want to pass their hand through a solid wall because they know that physics tells them it's mostly empty space. There's a real wall, and there's a real consciousness.

Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com
Author, "Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme" Free newsletter! http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/meme.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf Of Eric Boyd
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 6:21 AM
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: FAQ: question (a) - Level 3

Hi,

David McFadzean <morpheus@lucifer.com> writes: <<
This seems to imply that the purpose is somehow separate from all memes. Does the idea of Level 3 depend on this assumption? What if purpose can be chosen consciously and/or transmitted memetically? Where would that leave Level 3?
>>

It's even worse than that, David. If Blackmore is right and 'consciousness' or 'the self' is an illusion (a story we tell ourselves because it benefits our memes) then level 3 is nothing less than complete self deception -- it is taking the memes which create self-awareness and promoting them up a dozen notches in power -- and propagating level 3 is (of course) spreading those memes with a vengence. The tighter you grip -- the more they have you.

Blackmore's own solution -- to let the self go -- is, of course, no better; but at least it's honest. (and my understanding would be that it's an easier path to happiness, although it's unlikely to yield 'success', however you might define that)

ERiC