From: BrettMan35@webtv.net (Brett Robertson) Date sent: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:54:24 -0500 (EST) To: virus@lucifer.com Subject: Re: virus: Technology (was manifest science) Send reply to: virus@lucifer.com
> Seems Joe's understanding of "technology" would be equally (or BETTER)
> applied to the term "industry" and related to "industrialization"
> (though, again, *industry*, implying "work", is none other than applied
> force and so does not seem to REQUIRE conscious intent).
>
Industry is the use of technology for the purpose of mass
production, typically involving cooperative human effort, assembly
lines and interchangeable parts.
>
> Joe's assertion that technology is "founded" upon a SERIES of
> experiments doesn't apply to the logical inception of science itself
> (What knowledge base, and what experiments are the foundation for the
> scientific process?); similarly, what "series" of technological
> manifestations forms the basis for a technology to manifest?
>
The most basic is the coordination of actions with perceptions
which occurs at the sensorimotor stage of infant maturation and
development.
>
> That is, IS science a "technology" (as per Wade's definition, for
> example)? If so, by what "non" technology does this technology arise?
>
No, technology involves specific instantiations of general scientific
principles.
>
> Finally, I have yet to see a logical argument (by Joe, or others) which
> suggests that "self-will"-- what Joe describes as a type of "conscious
> intention" that is related to Godelian complexity-- is the basis for
> technology (and/ or that this type of logical action is limited to what
> is termed "human").
>
Without self-consciousness, there can be no intentionality, for
thare can never be an "I" which intends. When intentions are
unrealizable by the unaided body of the intender, material
mediations are used to extend the scope and range of the body's
efficacy. The modification of natural objects to more efficiently
perform such intended functions is the beginning of technology. As
far as we have been able to ascertain, there is no nonhuman
terrestrial life form (with the bare and marginal exception of the
great apes) which posesses the degree of self-reference necessary
to form and carry out the intention to design and manufacture such
tools.
>
> Brett Lane Robertson
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