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Thanks, Joe... I found this interesting. I wonder, though:
You say that "in the absence of a world" logic would be a "tautology"
(there would be nothing on a person's mind)...
How would logic have been derived "in the absence of a world"?
Thus, what is logic when applied to itself EXCEPT a reference to the world which it represents (rather than a meaningless "tautology")?
As such, is the world not about "logic" (nor logic about the world)?
Finally, what is this "mind" which you see as separate from the "world" such that "logic" might be MERELY A=A (without the A's applying to something which exists)?
ps. some of your jokes go beyond what is, in my mind, acceptable behavior for mature (intelligent?) adults
Brett Lane Robertson
Indiana, USA
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MindRecreation Metaphysical Assn.
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From: BrettMan35@webtv.net (Brett Robertson) Date sent: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:00:11 -0500 (EST) To: virus@lucifer.com Subject: Re: Yin/Yang (was: Re: virus: A "Confession" about "The Sign") Send reply to: virus@lucifer.com
> "Berries" as an extension of the logic of "banana" suggests "yummy" and
> also "non-poisonous". It is this *logic* that I speak of (which
> resolves to individual survival and is available to the MIND of the
> individual).
>
I got some yummy berries hangin' for ya, brettster!
>
> The benefits of being logical-- as opposed to those of experience or
> hearsay-- include that experience involves error, and hearsay is forever
> without personal verification; though thinking is available to everyone,
> and logic is valid-- even in a virtual vacuum (it requires a few
> fundamentals, a mind, an individual, perhaps knowledge of letters or
> numbers, and a willingness to think for oneself).
>
Logic is extracted from perception; in the absence of a world there
could be nothing on anyone's mind. There would have been no
observable properties, quantities or things,; therefore nothing from
which to extract numbers or to inspire the glyphs which gradually
morphed into letters.
>
> Outside of what is "safe" (because *true*) is that which must be paid
> for: It is ultimate based on a gamble, "chance"; it is accepted on
> "trust" (BLIND trust-- and leads to a dependence on such blindness);
> and, it is acquired through "credit" (what is gotten from someone else
> is credited TO them and used in conjunction with THEIR assent or their
> continued decision not to withhold such assistance).
>
Oh Pleeze; another pseudomoralistic ranting tangent.
>
> Otherwise, the truth of contingent realities (those which are not based
> on pure logic) are, as I said, only PROVABLE with the death of the one
> who would prove them such (contingent)
>
Truth is probable and statistical. You want Absolute Truth? Join a
religion; they'll tell you some (but they lie). And there is no such
thing as pure logic. Our logical premises (the four laws of thought
and the law of identity), although expressed in abstract symbols,
have been extracted from concrete perceptual invariants, the most
basic being presence or absence to perception. Until reapplied to
particulars, they remain empty tautologies, convertible to each
other.
A=A (A thing is the same as itself)
If A Then A (if a thing is present, then it is present).
If ~A Then ~A (if a thing is absent, then it is absent).
A v ~A (Either a thing is present or it is absent).
~(A + ~A) (No Thing can be simultaneously present and absent).
>
> Brett Lane Robertson
> Indiana, USA
> http://www.window.to/mindrec
> MindRecreation Metaphysical Assn.
> BIO: http://members.theglobe.com/bretthay
> ...........
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