...I need some clarity here. I think I object to several things, but I want to make sure we've got some common terminology before I go spouting off.
As such, when
..."Freedom" implies [to me] room to move, potential variability, a
set of potential options. Chaos has two meanings which I acknowledge:
[1] (from the physycs of dynamic systems) - not being subject to
prediction.
...freedom a ground to move *in*, chaos doesn't. I think
> talking about how "all things" are abstracted to an "at once", we
> speak of *freedom* (not "chaos").
[2] having unlimited potential.
This is true precisely because the
> "sum of all CHANCE" (not the sum of all "order") is the symbolic
> *CONSTRUCT* called *order*.
...okay. I'm with you on order as a symbolic construct, but
apparently somewhere else on the composition of order. I think this
stems from your use of the word "chance". I'm not sure what you mean
by it. Traditionally, chance has been used as a label for all the
inputs to a dynamic system which have not been accounted for, but
that's just using [chance] as a symbol for [ignorance] and with the
death of the mechanical universe we're left with an indeterminate
construct anyways.
...in my symbol set:
[Chance] = the limits of an abstraction [ie. those relations which cannot be accounted for by the capabilities of a given consciousness. These relations are not even deducible in principle within the frame of facilities of abstraction of the given entity]
[Order] = an expression of will, the deliberate relation of constructs
[Abstraction] = a synthesis of inputs
[Construct] = a deliberate [willed] relation
As such, freedom includes the freedom to
> establish order from chance by way of consciousness (see post on
> quality).
...I would say that order is established from chaos. Order sometimes arises out of chaos spontaneously because limited systems seek homeostasis. But it's only order if somebody notices, otherwise it's just a momentary stability [a node] in a larger flux.
> Because of this, it is wrong to call consciousness "will". *Will*
...I've got your assertion [first sentence] but your explanation
> is the construct, order, which justifies chance (by way of
> consciousness) as that which exists contrary to freedom (destroying
> freedom for "chaos").
Thus, you suggest that consciousness arises
...oh no. If this descends into Sartre I'm going to scream.
...existence is subjective. The precursor to everything is the
statement
I AM.
...not the will to power or anything else, the simple will TO BE.
> from chaos and institutes an ordering called "incarnate existence";
> though the fact of the matter is that chaos can neither allow for
> consciousness nor destroy it, and incarnate existence (or *Being*)
> must pre-exist will so as to maintain an objective existence.
-psypher
>
> Brett Lane Robertson
> Indiana, USA
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> MindRecreation Metaphysical Assn.
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