RE: virus: maxims and ground rules and suppositions

Sodom (sodom@ma.ultranet.com)
Mon, 17 May 1999 15:01:17 -0700

The endless discussion on evolution takes yet a another spin around the track. There is no direction with evolution - others will probably note that before I get this out.
I have seen and heard a lot about consciousness and evolution and time after time, people seem to see evolution as a process invented by humans. It is not. It is not trying to achieve anything, it is not looking for a pinnacle, It is only a description and changing all the time. When I think about what evolution implies, I end up with - Evolution is change and organic. I don't think it can be said to apply to a star, though the word might be used to describe the sequence.

In the line
"To the extent that there is an environment in which change happens, that environment is defined by consciousness."

what does this mean? That there is no change without consciousness? That the universe is static except for the consciousness that causes change to happen and time to flow? Is that what you are suggesting?

Bill Roh

On Monday, May 17, 1999 8:02 AM, psypher [SMTP:overload@fastmail.ca] wrote:
> > What's loyalty got to do with it? It's not damn good, it's damn
> > mystical.
>
> ...those are not mutually exclusive categories. [damn it Hermit,
> you've infected me with set theory - quick, reccomend a reference
> book, I have a trip to the library to make tomorrow]
>
> ...on the topic of why evolition is a product of consciousness and
> not the other way around, the process outlined by Darwin is
> essentially a process of change in response to environmental
> conditions, "evolution" implies a process and direction - both of
> which are facets of the universe brought into being by consciousness.
> To the extent that there is an environment in which change happens,
> that environment is defined by consciousness.
> ...not mystical [though I don't at all cavil at that label], but
> contextual.
>
> -psypher
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