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Tiller and the Ticking Bomb Scenario
« on: 2009-06-09 04:25:23 » |
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http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2009/06/08/tiller-and-the-ticking-bomb-scenario/
"Tiller and the Ticking Bomb Scenario
6/8/09, 1:34 pm EST
A gun-toting religious fanatic, swept up after a brazen act of terrorism in a church calls reporters from prison claiming knowledge of a forthcoming campaign of mass murder.
Forget the politics of abortion for a second, this is the quintessential “ticking time bomb scenario” that advocates of torture always use to justify going medieval on jihadis.
The chief suspect in the murder of Dr. George Tiller, Scott Roeder, called AP from jail this weekend with this dire warning:
“I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal.”
So how about in Hannity?
Should we break out the waterboard before these terrorists strike again in the Homeland?
Tim Dickinson"
[Blunderov] A point that has been made here before - why not extend "enhanced interrogation" to ordinary law enforcement as well? Who knows maybe these guys are are plotting to use a <gasp> WMD against, say, the Supreme Court! Only one way to find out for sure ...(not!). If I was Roeder under the waterboard I would instantly implicate Hannity himself. Whee! What fun!
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Re:Tiller and the Ticking Bomb Scenario
« Reply #1 on: 2009-06-09 10:34:28 » |
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I hadn't initially thought of it that way, but yes indeed! If we have ever had a clearer example of the ticking bomb scenario this is it. Thanks for sharing. Personally I would be against "enhanced interrogation" even in this circumstance. I'm sure there are many avenues for investigation that don't require Roeder's cooperation; all of his nutcase contacts are in this country and seem to be fairly well known and reasonably accessible to law enforcement. Compared to the jihadi terrorist who might strike anywhere we are vulnerable, we know pretty clearly what kind of targets Roeder's friends would be after - abortion providers and those who work with them. So instead of going medieval on him, we can instead concentrate on protecting the likely targets instead while we work with normal interrogation techniques.
It's a good point to argue, however, and by right-wing logic we should already be waterboarding this guy. After all Timothy McVeigh hung out with crowds like this, so who's to say they would limit their targets to anti-abortion. Roeder himself fits this mold in his now documented anti-federal-government rhetoric. In the grand scheme of things any federal government facility could be a target - even if it includes children at on-the-job day care. They (and Roeder) aren't just anti-abortion, they are anti-government. So Fuck Yeah! We need to be preventing the next Oklahoma City tragedy. Let's torture the little fucker till he talks. Do it for the children who died in OKC!
Just kidding - or am I? 
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Re:Tiller and the Ticking Bomb Scenario
« Reply #2 on: 2009-06-10 05:33:05 » |
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Quote from: MoEnzyme on 2009-06-09 10:34:28 Just kidding - or am I?
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[Blunderov] I think I have remarked before that the rationalization of torture by the authorities sets a terrible example to every little tin badge fascist from Chikaruba to Scotland Yard?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3915291
Tue Jun-09-09 09:33 PM
London's Metropolitan Police accused of waterboarding suspects
Source: The Times
Metropolitan Police officers subjected suspects to waterboarding, according to allegations at the centre of a major anti-corruption inquiry, The Times has learnt.
The torture claims are part of a wide-ranging investigation which also includes accusations that officers fabricated evidence and stole suspects’ property. It has already led to the abandonment of a drug trial and the suspension of several police officers.
However, senior policing officials are most alarmed by the claim that officers in Enfield, North London, used the controversial CIA interrogation technique to simulate drowning. ....
Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6...
Source: Salon
UK police officers accused of waterboarding
Jun 9th, 2009 | LONDON -- Scotland Yard says six officers have been suspended after "serious allegations" about their behavior during the arrests of five suspects last year.
London's police force did not go into detail, but Sky News television and the Daily Mail newspaper are reporting the officers are accused of waterboarding drug suspects.
Scotland Yard said in a statement late Tuesday that Britain's police watchdog, the Independent Police Complaints Commission, is investigating. Calls and e-mails to the commission were not immediately returned.
Waterboarding, a type of simulated drowning, is almost universally condemned in Britain as torture. It has controversially been used by U.S. interrogators to squeeze information out of suspected terrorists.
Read more: http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/world/2009/06/09/D98NDHN0...
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